Do you think opensource + Fediverse will develop into some kind of political force/movement in the next years?

cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/3932795

I thought about this already for a while and with Lemmy and Mastodon the opensource community has a place to really try itself out and coordinate. Then even things like open-source planning-systems (like at Amazon) and AIs are possible.

At least in Germany there is currently no really political movement that could be described as left-libertarian at least seriously. Maybe the Fediverse could be the root for something like that.

Or will the Fediverse will become more like the new landscape of the internet, which encompasses everything and in which every party will need to move and have a certain stance to somehow?

original_ish_name,

We already have it, it is called the Free Software Movement. It was started with the GNU project many decades ago

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DogMuffins,

No.

Developers of opensource software have been coordinating around complex problems for decades. I don’t think lemmy or mastodon can contribute much to that.

I don’t see why the fediverse needs to be co-opted into any particular political ideology. All political interests are free to create their own instances and / or use the fediverse as they wish. I don’t think it’s any more suited to left-libertarian than any other ideology.

I also don’t see the fediverse being a “new landscape”. The majority of people will always gravitate towards well funded corporate platforms. I would be really happy with the fediverse staying as it is now, I mean of course everyone is free to join but if it became the new normal then I’d have to find somewhere else to spend my time.

poVoq,
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All decentralized networks and ways of organizing efforts (such as FOSS) are structurally left-libertarian as that is an politician ideology that describes such as the proposed way of organizing our society. It is literally the same.

Sure, the results of our combined structural and decentralized efforts can be temporarily abused by people not in favour of such means, but as long as they are using them it means we are ultimately winning.

poVoq,
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As others have alluded to here… the idea of internet activism as a political movement kinda burned itself out with the rise and fall of the Pirate Party; at least for most of western Europe.

Lots of interesting lessons learned can be drawn from that if such a thing were to be ever attempted again, but at least for now the Fediverse remains solidly in the “infrapolitics” space. We have a community about this here: slrpnk.net/c/infrapolitics

blue_berry,
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I think its really a pity that the pirate party lost its steam, because it was left and also really anti-authoritarian (at least I think). However, I think the Fediverse could become political or at least societal really relevant, because I think there is a strong interrelation between how our social networks are build, therefore how we act in them and from that how we act as social beings in general. I think federated social networks could have a positive effect here and also maybe give the pirate party some steam again.

poVoq,
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The Fediverse is political, it just isn’t directly represented by a political party or similar movement with political ambitions.

In a way that is good, because it allows us to slowly shift the Overton window etc instead of becoming a target of polarization and political manipulation like the PP did.

blue_berry,
@blue_berry@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for the link, looks interesting

Valmond,

Can you describe left libertarian?

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Anarchism (look it up). Same as the original meaning of just “libertarian”, before the far-right in the US successfully took over the term for their version of laissez faire capitalism.

Valmond,

I mean okay why not but why not call a cat a cat? Especially when the term have been hijacked by USA fachos?

explodicle,

Wouldn’t that make people think we’re supporting fachos and not cats?

Valmond,

I meant: call yourselves anarchists.

There’s not much debate to what it means IMO, or if it is, there can be a healthy debate/explanation about it.

“Liberal” not so much.

socsa,

Democratic socialism is also considered left libertarian as well.

frippa,
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I can’t see lemmygrad uniting with lemmy.world, not in a million decades. Not in traditional political stuff at least, they both support FOSS at least. (except one of them censors piracy instances but oh well)

Womble,

defederation isnt censorship. Can we please not ape the right in crying censorship every time someone chooses not to boost someone elses message

NuPNuA,

Lol, no. We don’t even all agree on a political outlook now. It’s largely the gamut from centre-left to far-left, but that doesn’t mean we all agree on everything or get on with each other.

brainschaden,

No

Lettuceeatlettuce,

Almost certainly not. Just not enough people in it, and the decentralization also works against that to a degree.

hottari,

Fediverse won’t do what the people lack the courage to do.

nicktron,
@nicktron@kbin.social avatar

Absolutely not.

TheWoozy,

No

Durotar,
@Durotar@lemmy.ml avatar

Fediverse is diverse. We’re not a united group with the same political preference. I don’t see that happening.

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Meta comment: Interesting difference in tone of the replies here and on lemmy.world… makes if clear again that attempts to “merge” Lemmy communities on superficial names like “fediverse” are mis-guided at best.

SharkEatingBreakfast,
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Honestly? I think it will eventually be astroturfed by corporations and bad actors once it gets big enough.

Ziggurat,

Proprietary software and free software are both highly political choice, not sure whether the fediverse will change something. Unfortunately, many left wing politician still choose to use twitter/facebook and so on

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