Oh you’re talking about the cross symbol at the front. I was confused and focused on the nut trapping hole in the center of the seat that caused me to wince a bit.
The saddle product family you’re looking at literally has Medicus in its name and you rather associate a cross with the military and not the red cross or medicine.
The saddle product family you’re looking at literally has Medicus in its name and you rather associate a cross with the military and not the red cross or medicine.
Because their older product lines did use a cross symbol that looked more like a medical cross, but these newer ones absolutely look like Balkenkreuz from WW2.
Sorry, you think it’s suspicious they put a cross on a new version of a product when the previous version had a cross on it in the exact same position? It’s just a modern, minimalist design like you see just about everywhere else. Also, Werner Herzog was born in Munich in 1942, so he’s also a German who’s been around since WW2, but that doesn’t make the guy a Nazi.
Sorry, you think it’s suspicious they put a cross on a new version of a product when the previous version had a cross on it in the exact same position?
I didn’t even know they had a different cross until the other poster mentioned “medical cross”.
Medical crosses are SOLID and usually all red or all white with red surrounding it, usually inside a circle.
I’ve never seen a medical cross that looks like a Balkenkreuz. Not even Nazis in WW2 used this symbol as a medical cross. LOL
It’s just a modern, minimalist design like you see just about everywhere else.
Of course, I’m not saying they are literal Nazis… I thought it was funny that an old German company would put a ubiquitous symbol used by Nazis during WW2 on their products.
There must have been some discussion over this at the company!
I find it extremely funny how you asked a question, received an answer of “no”, and then started arguing with everyone about how the answer is actually yes. The answer is no.
You cannot expect to be taken seriously when you’re arguing that a minimalist cross outline in red is the same as a black cross with a white outline, but it’s totally not the same as a red cross. And that black cross outlined in white is totally different to a grey cross outlined in white that uses the same name.
There was probably no discussion because only you saw the connection, and it’s a VERY tenuous connection at that.
I don’t think the nazi’s actually ‘created’ any of their own symbols did they? Maybe the stylized SS? They completely ruined the swastika which had been around for ‘nearly 7000 years’ according to the holocaust museum. While I wouldn’t expect a company to ever use a swastika, I don’t think every single stolen symbol they used should hold the same stigma…
Yes, that’s true about Nazis ruining other symbols, including swastikas (although, they flipped the direction of the symbol).
But this particular emblem was famously used by Nazi forces, probably more so than the swastika.
I just thought it was suspect for a German company dating back to WW2 to even consider this symbol on their products. There’s literally no point of having that symbol at all… **it’s not the company logo. **
Hahaha I’m not saying it’s not a funny coincidence, because it is - I just don’t think it was intentional :D Probably just a international red cross symbol, usually associated with medical/health, but in this context…
It’s really comfortable! I bought it in Lidl for around $15 to replace my stock saddle which was hard as life itself. Big difference - couldn’t sit on my ass for weeks after a longer cycle on the old one. No issues now.
It’s really comfortable! I bought it in Lidl for around $15 to replace my stock saddle which was hard as life itself. Big difference - couldn’t sit on my ass for weeks after a longer cycle on the old one. No issues now.
Seems like pricing in Europe is way cheaper than North America. It’s like $50+ Canadian.
I’ve got a Brooks Cambium C17 that I’ve ridden with for thousands of KM, but it’s not super comfortable after 120km at a time, even with padded shorts. My MTB, on the other hand, has a relatively cheap saddle that feels more comfortable with regular shorts… this Wittkop looks like a nice alternative to the Brooks.
Wait you can immediately tell it's not the same symbol.
-The item's symbol has a hollow inside. The one depicted in your pic is heavy black, as you can see that it's darker than the plane itself.
-The pic shows a heavy, bold white outline. This outline is not present in the item's symbol.
-Also just of note, the item's symbol color is red. Isn't that plane using A black/white color for it's cross, like the swastika's color scheme?
Also just of note, the item’s symbol color is red. Isn’t that plane using A black/white color for it’s cross, like the swastika’s color scheme?
The Balkenkreuz was typically black and white, but on a red background flag. I’m not sure the company would go all out with a red coloured saddle. Haha!
I honestly feel like you're making shit up to make a fairly offensive joke. If they were really trying to make the offensive cross, "It would have looked silly" isn't remotely an argument. Plus white goes on most colors, especially Black which is the color of the item, so there's no reason it couldn't have been used.
Actually you are both wrong, since the Balkenkreuz and the Eiserne Kreuz are but two of hundreds of variations of the same symbol, the black cross of the German Order of knights, dating back to the 12th century. It's the same symbol.
And not only that, the particular variation you are going on about, the Balkenkreuz, black cross with a thick white and small black outline except for the endings of the cross, isn't a Nazi symbol. It was used in the first world war already.
Which is all completely ignoring that it's a simple cross with a single outline, one of the most basic shapes there is, used by a medical company.
All to say, I see how it's easy to mistake, but you are wrong on the facts and you are airing your grievances on the wrong venue. Write to the company, maybe they will even agree with you and change it.
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