Does anyone else hope the bulk of Reddit stays there?

I think my favorite thing about Lemmy is that it feels like Reddit used to. Less negativity, more engaged users (I think). I know it will be fun to watch Reddit die, but if I put spite aside what I’m really mad at Reddit about is more about what Reddit became and maybe part of that is when the general internet user started going to Reddit and it became less like the small community it was years ago. Feel free to disagree or share an argument 😉

LadyAutumn,
@LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I definitely hope the... simply massive amount of information stored there is archived in some way. I was troubleshooting some technical issues for a very niche hardware and software application this morning and the only sources I could find were on reddit.

I feel similarly about Discord. There is so much technical knowledge and information that would be lost in the blink of an eye if Discord shut down.

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

!datahoarder did a great job archiving all of reddit and making it available on archive.org. 13.23 billion archives and counting. So personally I just grab reddit links, change them to old.reddit.com and put them in the wayback machine

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I helped a lot of people with niche hardware and software troubleshoot things for years on Reddit, I'm planning to leave my comments up because of that.

The amount of times I would search for something to only find threads of people asking about an issue followed by comments that say "deleted by [X software on github] in protest for [issue that was solved years ago]" and responses praising the deleted comment for helping them is too damn high.

Or hell trawling the internet archive for dead sites trying to find solutions.

I don't want people to have to go through that.

I don't care where my answers come from, I just want to troubleshoot crap in a timely manner.

IntheMesh,

Tbh the problem with Discord is that its search and indexing functions just suck ass in the first place. I already treat anything posted in Discord as ephemeral information that stops existing once it leaves my view. In that sense i hope lemmy instances for tech support/ troubleshooting take off. Much easier to archive.

zero_iq, (edited )

Best case scenario for reddit, I think, would be for its IPO to fail, spez and investors call it quits, and it eventually ends up maintained by a not-for-profit foundation in the way that, say, Wikipedia or Blender is.

Either that or it dies, its database published or scraped, and ends up accessible through archive.org or something similar.

EDIT: or a crowdfunded buy-out by John Oliver 😆

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

I favor the latter

BirdLawyerPerson,

I believed this up until the blackout protests started happening, and Reddit shit the bed in responding to the protests.

I went back and sorted through my top comments in tech support, home improvement, other troubleshooting Q&A type subreddits, across my different accounts, and started editing those answers to be short phrases summarizing what the comments used to be. I'll eventually remove them, too, but maybe the indexers will update their cached copies to be the totally unhelpful versions they are now.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I see the shitty part of reddit is moving here now, doing internet arguments again.

Knoll0114,

Conversation about hot topics is going to happen no matter what. As long as it stays respectful I think it's ok.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Many of them are not staying respectful though.

They have a fresh start on a new place, and they just choose to be miserable and brought the reddit over here.

crowsby,
@crowsby@kbin.social avatar

Since a lot of the exodus was prompted by conflict, I wouldn't be surprised to see a higher proportion of folks here who speak conflict as a first language, at least for a while.

I kind of feel like without purposeful and diligent pruning, all online communities sink down to the lowest common denominator. That's hard to manage since a community is as much a vibe as it is conforming to a set of explicit rules. Personally I like the tildes.net code of conduct, since that's basically a similar philosophy.

icxcnika,

That's a really solid take, but I'd say there's 3 practical types of conflict: discussion (disagreement with a lot of thought put into it - a category that I'd like to think my comments frequently fall into), shitposting (disagreement with little/no thought, or sarcasm), and hostility ("nah that's stupid, go !@#$ yourself").

The first 2 categories are the lifeblood of a very large number of thriving online communities. The last category needs to be unilaterally expelled from every corner possible.

ritswd,

Well that’s a stupid take and you are dumb.

(Sorry, I know, not funny…) 🤦‍♂️

More seriously, while I deleted my Reddit account, I haven’t tried to avoid landing on some Reddit threads linked from Lemmy, and for the past few days I’ve looked closer at comment sections, because I’m noticing I had forgotten how rotten they were compared to here. So much pointless aggressivity.

I think it’s credible that if Lemmy was to keep growing, that issue will also keep growing as you have noticed. So, a bit like op, I’m hoping it only grows big enough to keep the open source projects interested and staffed; but not so much so that most of the sucky aggressivity stays on Reddit or elsewhere permanently.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

I repeat this a lot, but I think the most important thing to do is to stay sincere and not be a defeatist. No arguing just to win, but no hugbox mentality either.

I have no doubt at all that the reddit admins and powermods were algorithmically pushing flame bait and hatred (especially to the political subs) to drive traffic to the site, so now that we've have a place where that isn't possible (yet, at least), I'm interested to see if that's just the nature of political discussion on the Internet.

ritswd,

I don’t know, I think even in real life people get silly when discussing topics they have strong feelings about, and politics seems to be one of them fairly often.

I guess all I’m saying is I understand your point and it makes sense to me, I’m probably just a bit less hopeful than you are (and I commend you for it!)

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

It's the idea of a New Sincerity, or post-postmodernism.

Yeah, the world is turning to shit, and nothing matters. So what? What are you doing to make it less shit?

It's the idea that you should be trying to save everyone with the understanding that a small portion are just too far gone to be saved, and you should focus on the ones that you can, because even if you just save one person, that's still a net positive.

ritswd,

I think it’s a very sensible approach, and honestly quite uplifting too.

wvenable,

The comment section is for Internet arguments!

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, whatever you do is your business, I'm just here to promote "Barbie".

Gormadt,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

"Can we get back to talking about Rampart please"

Ah the old memes

yunggwailo,
@yunggwailo@kbin.social avatar

I like how AMAs were like, the one feature of reddit and they managed to totally fuck it up to irrelevance. Incompetent af leadership

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