Does anyone else hope the bulk of Reddit stays there?

I think my favorite thing about Lemmy is that it feels like Reddit used to. Less negativity, more engaged users (I think). I know it will be fun to watch Reddit die, but if I put spite aside what I’m really mad at Reddit about is more about what Reddit became and maybe part of that is when the general internet user started going to Reddit and it became less like the small community it was years ago. Feel free to disagree or share an argument 😉

Tinyimportance,

I’ve been finding Reddit quite toxic lately, I also find it annoying how much less engaged people are in the actual articles posted and more interested in getting a laugh going off topic.

nicerdicer,

I think those who are not satisfied with the direction Reddit is going are already here and found a new home. Maybe some will come here after the thrid-party-apps cease to work (if they aren't here already).

The vast majority (the "bulk of Reddit") doesn't bother. As long as they can use Reddit the way they use to they will not leave. It possibly has to do with the fact that these users are not tech-savvy enough in general. I don't mean it in a negative way. They just don't care because they just focus on other things. And with this in mind these users probably checked out Lemmy already but because the buttons are green and their favorite subreddit is not here yet, it is not appealing to them. So they rather stay on reddit.

simpleduckman,

I definitely get how you feel, but I think free communities stay like this one in tone, regardless of whether they get substantial growth. I think it could be a counterintuitive sign of health when Lemmy is big enough that some of its userbase is kinda annoying and you have to find the subs (is that the right term here?) with the community that you like

faltuuser,

Reddit is not going to die. Not atleast in foreseeable future.

christophski,

Definitely. It's going to become a mainstream platform like Instagram.

zepheriths,

There is always going to be negative users. They are already here

Vilian,

coff coff c/donald coff coff

LizardKing15, (edited )

Does anyone else hope the bulk of Reddit stays there?

No. Yes, most people should stay on reddit. I think it's better without a million American teenagers.

sentient_loom,

Well I'd like to see a lot more people here. I hope there's something to keep people coming after the Reddit hate wears off. I just want to see social media spread to more platforms generally, and it looks like that's beginning to happen. I'd like it to continue!

dango,
@dango@fedia.io avatar

no way. this kind of elitism and gatekeeping kills communities

MacroCyclo,

Yeah, I really hope we can get past the culture of thinking lemmy is morally superior to reddit and just focus on having something nice here that no CEO can fuck with.

Nivekk,
@Nivekk@kbin.social avatar

I think there's a loud, negative minority that WILL stay there, and it's going to become even more of the type of place that they like.

Venutianxspring,

That's what I'm hoping. Let them stay there then it into an echo chamber so they never leave

fratermus,
@fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Cf. Twitter

GunnarRunnar,

So call me what you will but I just want a new "Reddit". I want a place where I can come up with a niche and find a place where people are talking about it. Whether it's experts or enthusiasts but I want to shared experience of "talking about X".

AlteredStateBlob,

Exactly, well put. This is what reddit used to be, I hope this place can and will grow into just that in time. I see the potential. Everything starts with very little.

Rottcodd,
@Rottcodd@kbin.social avatar

Yes - very much so.

This feels like a community of actual people who can and do actually think and engage.

Reddit felt like a vast sea of idiots, trolls, shills snd bots.

Venutianxspring,

It used to be very similar to the current community here though. It wasn't until it got mainstream that it tanked tremendously.

I hope the fediverse stays like this forever, but there will always be idiots that inadvertently ruin it

envelope,

I've been through multiple aggregator site meltdowns and migrations. Some will stay, some will go, everyone will eventually find a new home. No worries!

AnonTwo,

Not really. I feel like it's not healthy for any community if all the people you don't like aren't there to offer their viewpoint. The more you build an echo chamber with no dissenting opinions, the more extreme it becomes and the less it's able to deal with things that clash with it's ideals. The less it's involved with things that clash with it's ideals.

-This does not include groups with completely bad faith arguments that are clearly racist bigots.

dogmuffins,

You’re right in a way, but I think you’re applying a narrow definition of “opinion” when I think most people ITT are thinking about “behaviours”.

Sure, it’s not great to exclude dissenting political opinions, the intolerance paradox being a notable exception. That said, I’m not here to discuss politics.

Say for example that some users will do anything for fake internet points - post anything, say anything, there behaviour is guided by the pursuit of karma and building some kind of following. Other users will do anything for engagement, whatever it takes to get others to engage with them including trolling. I’m happy enough for these types of users to find more rewarding platforms elsewhere. Note that’s different to excluding them, it’s just being a part of a place that isn’t fertile ground for their fixations.

MrsDoyle,

I don't mind discussing stuff with people who have different views from me, but on Reddit I would mostly type out a comment, imagine what kind of rude retort I'd get, and trash the draft. I remember some years back having a great back and forth with someone on nuclear power and actually changing my mind! But more recently it's just "you're wrong and dumb", no discussion. Ugh.

I'm still very new here, but it feels like Reddit used to, and I like it.

Imbrock,

I think Reddit will slowly bleed users as the experience gets worse but it won't collapse altogether. It's not likely that any one service will replace it but I could see a series of successors come about eventually.

hoodlem,

I agree. I see it as becoming like Slashdot. Making ad revenue but deserted by the core people who made the site what it was.

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

Lots of reddit will find themselves unwelcome in Lemmy and by various instance admins. They may make their own instances, but depending on the content that comes from them, they may even be defederated from ours.

Lemmy is community owned, community run, and community focused. There is no profit motive. There is no logic to keeping people on your instance or interacting with it who work to its detriment. Just having more people on your instance doesn't mean "one additional customer".

icxcnika,

They may make their own instances, but depending on the content that comes from them, they may even be defederated from ours.

It is WEIRD how much I feel like I've been here before.

My first days on the internet were around the time that both email lists, and IRC chat, were popular. IRC chat was a bit more centralized than this perhaps in management, but in many ways the concepts were similar: multiple servers, interlinked, and if the admin of one server had a problem with the admin of another, they could delink from each other. IRC, a protocol that was popular 30 years ago and has been largely dead for at least 10, was basically the OG fediverse of instant messaging.

Anyways, there's a massive amount of promise with this. It's more or less what Reddit was originally meant to be: Each team fully in charge of their own subreddit, and Reddit admins only there to make sure that each subreddit played nice with each other subreddit. In a fediverse context, it's almost exactly the same, except the responsibility for cutting off subreddits that don't play nice lies with the managers of each "subreddit" (instance).

I realize that instances are not magazines and so on, and this analogy has technologically weak comparisons, but I think the principle works.

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

I realize that instances are not magazines and so on, and this analogy has technologically weak comparisons, but I think the principle works.

I do think that we will start to see communities getting their own hosted instances. A light novel/manga I read has an entire instance devoted to communities about the series, and I’ve seen some chatter in the selfhosted community about making an instance for selfhosted/datahoarders/FOSS in general, though we’ll see if that actually pans out.

I really like the model of a community of communities being in containerized into one shared, dedicated instance.

Biscuit, (edited )

Lots of reddit will find themselves unwelcome in Lemmy and by various instance admins.

Do you have some examples?

Rakust,

Anyone who supports human rights in lemmygrad is an example

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ca avatar

It's difficult to point directly to examples as their posts tend to be deleted, and deleted posts will also hide the rest of the thread. This thread had portions of its OP chronicled before it was taken down though. Basically they were complaining about everywhere they went on Lemmy their posts were deleted or they were banned for "criticism". They never directly said what their criticisms were, but I can only assume they're the types you wouldn't elaborate on when trying to get people to side with you over "censorship".

I've seen multiple others have a hard time when expressing homophobia, and getting their comments or accounts removed. When the owners of the instances can't profit off you like Reddit does, lending their resources to you is done out of kindness and goodwill, and if you step on that, there's little reason to hold back haha

Nommer,

They never directly said what their criticisms were, but I can only assume they're the types you wouldn't elaborate on when trying to get people to side with you over "censorship".

Which to me is funny because they know they're wrong.

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