Russell Brand allegations question from non American

I was reading about the allegations against Russell Brand and couldn’t help but wonder how it works legally that his revenue can be blocked based on allegations and before any juridical ruling.

Don’t get me wrong I don’t know much about the guy and what he did or didn’t do and agree that anyone should be punished according to their crimes.

But how is this possible with the principal of innocent until proven guilty? I’d be happy if someone could explain me.

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

It's a private company, it can choose which third party content suppliers to do business with.

Is that not the case where you live?

steakmeout,

Talk about begging the question. Do you concern troll for a fee?

ParanoidFactoid, (edited )
@ParanoidFactoid@beehaw.org avatar

YouTube is not the government. They have no obligation to host him or anyone else, regardless of presumption of innocence. That’s a court thing, they have to presume innocence. No private company does though.

Further, he is not an employee of YouTube or Google. So they have no employer-employee relationship and his video monetization bears no connection with employment law.

Ertebolle,

It's about ads. The great thing about putting videos on YouTube is that Google does the work of selling ad slots for you, the not-so-great thing is that because those advertisers are actually Google's customers, if they think they might be upset to see their ad running in your video, they'll err on the side of pulling it.

But I daresay if Russell Brand had advertisers working with him directly, most of them would also be suspending their relationships with him right now; nobody wants anything to do with this sort of allegation.

Sorchist,

Do you live in a country where the government would put a gun to YouTube's head and say 'YOU HAVE TO KEEP BROADCASTING THIS MAN'S CHANNEL, PUT ADS ON IT, AND SHARE THE AD REVENUE WITH HIM, WHETHER YOU WANT TO OR NOT, UNTIL AND UNLESS HE IS CONVICTED OF A CRIME"?

That seems weird.

redballooon,

Depends on the contract between that man and YouTube. Most countries are strong in enforcing contract terms.

roguetrick,

The idea that Google would give anyone a contract that says something other than "we'll fuck you if we feel like it." Hahahaha.

redballooon,

True, but that comment was still badly conceived. Because pretty much all countries would absolutely crack down on a platform, should there be a contract that states that there must be a conviction, and no morality clause. This can absolutely legally be in a contract.

neptune,

In America, you have no rights as a worker. Get caught or alleged to have done something unethical? You will be fired long before charges are filed or a conviction, if those things ever happen.

In the same way, YouTube isn’t legally obligated to do business with people who a) are unpopular or b) otherwise misalign with whatever they think their brand is.

Jaysyn,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

YouTube can do whatever the fuck they want on their network. Full stop.

BoBTFish,
@BoBTFish@kbin.social avatar

"Innocent until proven guilty" very specifically applies to punishment by the courts and government (which would be UK courts in this case). Everyone else can still think he's a sleazebag and want nothing to do with him without knowing exactly which crimes he may have committed.

I could absolutely be fired by my employer for harassing colleagues in a way that wouldn't be outright illegal. Same here for streaming companies, traditional TV production companies, etc not wanting to work with him.

shiveyarbles,

IDGAF this idiot is scamming people with his antivax, pro Russian bs he can eat a bag of dicks and take a dive into the sun.

CeruleanRuin,

First they came for the dickbags, and I said nothing…

Maybe,

Does “de-monetization” simply mean Google isn’t paying him, or that they’re removing all ads (and revenue for themselves) from his videos?

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Both.

Emperor,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

This is the key bit:

A spokesperson for YouTube said: “We have suspended monetisation on Russell Brand’s channel for violating our creator responsibility policy. If a creator’s off-platform behaviour harms our users, employees or ecosystem, we take action to protect the community.”

Somewhere in all the T&Cs you skim through is this clause - you break it, they withhold your money. If you are cleared, I assume they open the taps again and give you the money you would have earned.

blargerer,

In the case of youtube, there are 2 ways you getting paid can be paused. In the case of, for instance, a copyright claim, your video will either be taken down completely or, if left up, will typically still be monetized with the money going into escrow until the copyright claim is resolved, with the winning party getting paid. The 2nd kind is this kind, where they deem your video isn't monetizable. Likely they think their advertisers would be upset to have their advertisers next to you or your content. In this case they just don't run any adds at all, so there is no money for you to be given if the monetization is resumed.

Emperor,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

Thanks for the clarification. 👍

GARlactic,

Google is a private company that can choose who to do business with. By signing up to use the platform, you have to agree to their terms of service which state that they can decide to stop doing business with you at any time for any reason they deem. In this case, they chose to stop doing business with him by demonetizing his videos due to the allegations against him. He’s free to sue them, but that’s a battle that will be hard fought and could take years.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Google is a privately owned company. Brand could try to sue, but he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

cwagner,

Because it’s Google’s ToS and not something legal.

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