Is Rooting still as essential as it used to be?

Back in the day - rooting Android phones and installing custom ROMs were such a big part of Android. I remember so well using titanium backup and Greenify and Cyanogenmod and the list goes on.

Is it still necessary to root in 2023 though?

I have been on vanilla Android without root access for the past couple of years and at this point most root features have made it into the vanilla Android OS. What are your thoughts?

jcrabapple,
@jcrabapple@artemis.camp avatar

No but I think roms now are at an all time high for quality and stability.

LemmeInPls,

I root because my favorite adblocker is by a guy named kNinja, and I like having 3rd party Material You icons on my default launcher. Also prefer amoled black as a system theme through Repainter.

whoamibro,

Depends on what your necessities are.

Zak,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Necessary is a matter of perspective, and what it is you need your device to do. Mine is that if you don’t have root (or equivalent) on a computer, you don’t really own it. That’s a philosophical point more than a practical one - I’d want root even if I didn’t currently have a use for it.

Practically, here are some things I use root for in 2023:

  • Advanced charge controller - limit battery charge to extend service life. Some devices have a built-in option now, but it’s usually only a single switch for 85%. I usually set it to 60%.
  • Backup of apps with their data (Neo Backup), to install onto another device or after a factory reset - I don’t think there’s a way to do anything like this without root.
  • Mounting remote devices for access by arbitrary apps using EasySSHFS - I don’t think there’s a good equivalent.
  • Accessing exfat format external drives, like the SD cards in my camera using MiXPlorer’s built-in filesystem drivers. Android is an asshole for not supporting more filesystems. It’s Linux; the support already exists.
  • Hosts file ad blocking - DNS ad blocking is a viable alternative now.

If something blocks me from using it with root, I’ll give it a 1-star review on Google Play and probably not use it even if I can get around the blocking. If my bank starts using more effective blocking, I will probably change banks.

solidgrue,
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

I buy my phones outright, so that’s MY equipment. I root it because I own it, full stop.

If a ROM or App tells me I can’t be rooted then, like you, I won’t use it. I have options.

Also, I’m the one paying for my data plan and I refuse to have ads leech on my rates. I will go WAY out of my way to suppress advertisers intruding on my browsing. That’s pretty much the extent of my cyber-activism, but it’s a hard line.

Promethilaus,

Don’t use root but I do use custom rom safety net and play API work no banking app problems no Google play problems and advanced charge controller is built into my rom it even has that Google photo spoof built in it’s not feature rich but it’s clean, fast and I have removed most of the Google bullshit I am satisfied

kratoz29,

I use SwiftBackup as my backup solution, is Neo Backup any better?

Raymordius,

It depends on the phone. I would probably root a Samsung phone if I had one but my Pixel 6 has everything I want/need so I don’t bother.

applejacks,
@applejacks@lemmy.world avatar

Samsung phones have way more features than pixels though

squiblet,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Do you mean software or something about the hardware? I’ve had a couple Samsung but never a Pixel, so just curious.

AlmightySnoo,

Samsung phones have way more features bloatware than pixels though

sorry I couldn’t resist

ctrl,

I still root my phone for system-wide adblock, call recorder and Xposed modules I have been using since Jelly Bean.

IlliteratiDomine,
@IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub avatar

Same. I recently got a new phone and considered hopping into the Apple ecosystem, but call recording kept me on Android.

Mkengine,

Which app can you recommend for call recording?

IlliteratiDomine,
@IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub avatar

I’m using the BCR magisk module for recording on a Pixel 7. BCR seems to be pretty universal, but some dialers (OnePlus dialer is one) have recording disabled via config and can be reenabled with adb.

nicknoxx,

I use Call Recorder on a rooted Pixel 5. Works well.

ohellidk,

I use Lineage faithfully so my phone stays rooted. Also, I live in the US where carriers aggressively lock down their phones so they can upcharge everything. the whole "your hotspot will work at 3g speeds" is one reason to root. Adaway is another reason to root as well. I'm too cheap for home internet so I tether to get online. US carriers (and cable companies) hate that and try to prevent it. root and VPN gets around that. unlimited 5g hotspot.

beta_tester,

I’d love to root my pixel (grapheneos) because the tiles are just crap but I don’t want to mess with grapheneos’ security. If I’d do that, I could judt go with another brand and have awesome tiles by default.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

I keep my Android phone rooted because there’s specific functionality that I use daily that’s a pain to do without root.

It’s not my primary phone so the fact that it’s 3 years out of date in order to preserve my root doesn’t bother me. But if it was my primary phone I’d probably look into workarounds to avoid needing root.

Zak,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

On modern A/B devices, Magisk can preserve root through OTA updates. The procedure is:

  1. Install the OTA; do not reboot
  2. Install Magisk to the inactive slot from the Magisk app
  3. Reboot from the Magisk app
Tb0n3,

Not always. I tried that on my last OTA for my Pixel 7 and got locked out until it finally booted from slot_a after being off a while. Failed update.

lickmysword,

I used to on my Motorola RAZR for custom themes and the ability to double tap volume keys for track skipping or rewind. Now I have an app to to do that and some watered down system themes. Now I just don’t cause I don’t see the reason for rooting anymore. And random apps like McDonald’s have started checking for root or unlocked bootloader’s for some reason.

mwong56,

Yes for swift backup and pixelify

DataDreadnought,
@DataDreadnought@lemmy.one avatar

Rooting is more security compromising than it’s worth. There are a small set of use cases I could see but for the most part do either or below.

If you have a Pixel you would want to run GrapheneOS for maximum security and privacy.

All other phones you would ADB remove bloatware, run PrivateDNS with NextDNS or an alternative, and turn off as much analytics/permission/features as possible for a functional phone.

cyberpunk007,

I used to root every phone I owned cause I could do so much more with it. I haven’t rooted in so long, android does what I need now

ahornsirup, (edited )
@ahornsirup@kbin.social avatar

I haven't felt a need to root a phone in years. These days you will get a usable UI and UX with basically all major brands and adblock can be done without root, so it's just not worth the hassle trying to hide the fact that you're rooted from banking apps etc. At least as far as I'm concerned, I'm sure that some people still see a benefit in rooting.

Edit: I actually just thought of a reason: updates once the phone is past its official support window but otherwise still functional (though you don't technically need root for that, just an unlocked bootloader, the new ROM doesn't need to be rooted either strictly speaking). I'd just buy a new phone, but that really just means I'm a part of the e-waste problem.

vettnerk,

First time I rooted was in 2007 for installing CyanogenMod. After Cyanogen stopped updating I haven’t bothered rooting my phones.

Magister,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

I did with my old samsung, motorola, asus, nokia. But my last phone, PoCo F3, no, especially because it’s difficult to have a working Google Wallet with unlocked bootloader/root. I did it with my asus zenphone and nokia, but damn it broke every few weeks with a google update, and you needed to patch after patch after faking stuff and magisk addons etc for it to run a couple of weeks and BAM! Google Pay was disabled again… very annoying.

On my F3 I disabled/uninstalled unwanted apps with a debloater and I’m using Firefox for browsing. No need to root yet. When I’ll change phone I’ll root the old one.

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