This is completely counter productive to growing Lemmy. I absolutely despise discord. Look at the network traffic it generates and tell me wtf they are doing. They won’t tell you. Their business model will leave you completely dumbfounded as to how they exist. Everything shared on the platform is lost in a black hole...
Only Beehaw defederated from us. And that will be undone when the right moderation tools become available. So really I don’t even know what you’re talking about now. The piracy thing is not something we wanted to do either.
Whether it was fascist or not matter because the word has lost its meaning. Could be something fairly innocuous really.
CNN sources a Media Matters report which goes into detail as to the content of the twitter account. Tl;dr, it’s an explicitly neo-nazi account which regularly posted memes and content praising Hitler and the Nazi party and pushing neo-nazi talking points.
I’m not sure what it accomplishes playing semantic games about whether something fits the technical definition of fascism (Nazi Germany absolutely does, btw) when the commonly understood definition of far-right, ultra-nationalist, authoritarianism is abundantly clear.
lol yeah sounds totally righteous to dictate which opinions others should have
I don’t think anyone is proposing that we dictate others’ opinions. But companies, advertisers, and platforms are under no obligation to be associated with the expression of those opinions, and I have no issue stating that Nazis, Fascists, and their ideological descendants are very unwelcome on Beehaw.
I understand wanting to know what evidence someone has for an argument, but when the source is attributed in the posted article then demands for proof come across as sealioning which is very much discouraged on Beehaw.
For those that don’t feel like reading that Media Matters report, the account in question was openly and explicitly neo-nazi, and Media Matters has screenshots of a number of posts with memes praising Hitler, Holocaust denial, and “great replacement” memes. There’s also a meme that just says “It’s okay to be a national socialist” which seems about as pro-Nazi as something could possibly get.
Now that a lot of the commotion has subsided I’m just curious to know how y’all are finding the Lemmy experience in general and whether you use it regularly like you did reddit?
It depends. I’m on two instances, sopuli and beehaw. Both of them are really welcoming and cool, and I can interact with people without worrying about being bullied or harassed or attacked by random trolls just because they don’t like what I say (and trust me, suffering those actions while being neurodivergent is way worse than suffering those actions while being neurotypical).
But I think that more than 70% of the content I see comes from one single instance. Excluding beehaw (they defederated that other instance, and I agree with that), I think that sopuli also has similar communities that are like abandoned or with low amount of content. That’s something I don’t like.
Just thought I’d share something I thought was pretty interesting. I have a mother in law who is… well let’s just say she’s a stereotypical older mom who doesn’t own a computer, just an iPad. During the pandemic, she started getting into Nintendo games and bought herself a Switch. Fast forward a few years later and...
I would really appreciate if we stopped doing the “if you disagree with my opinion you’re an [insult] and also must be out of touch with reality so I will say you need to go outside” thing. It’s really exhausting. This is Beehaw, the be(e) nice server and I’m kind of getting sick of seeing this kind of snark on a server where the expectation is people being nice to each other.
I was skeptical at “normies” but the overall tone of the post is inclusive, so I’m not the target of your rant because I figured it out. I was able to figure it out because I’m terminally online and have the experience with online posts to know that some people use it as a pejorative and some people use it as a self-deprecating catch-all for people who aren’t too into their hobby.
I also have autism and some people with the condition aren’t as good as me at putting together the connotations of words AND the overall post to figure out the poster’s intentions. And some people aren’t terminally online and have less exposure to seeing this word used. They’ve likely overwhelmingly seen it used as a pejorative, and end up very skeptical of this post. I don’t like the idea that people like me, or that people who might have reasonably arrived at a different conclusion about this, are being told that they’re huge dorks who need to go outside.
Really starting to feel like Beehaw is just like any other online space. I see the same amount of snark and negative assumptions of people who didn’t see something the commenter’s/poster’s way. Sure, it’s free of bigotry, but all the spaces I occupied were already bigotry-free. Even back when I was on Reddit, because in the small subreddits I looked at the few bigots were downvoted to hell and had their comments hidden. (I’m aware that not everyone was lucky enough to only be interested in topics that had easily accessible bigotry-free areas so Beehaw still serves a useful purpose for them.)
I’ve said it before on beehaw but I work pizza delivery. You’d think it would be an easy job, just drive around and drop off pizzas and enjoy music, but holy shit the amount of pure hatred I’ve gotten from customers over the dumbest little thing is just insane. I had a guy call me, a white-male, a racial slur because we...
Well the moderating is part of the problem. Moderators that delete or restrict comments that aren’t “nice” drives those people that have been moderated into groups that reaffirm their beliefs, however dangerous they may be.
I take a view that even if something isn’t “nice” it should never be moderated unless it advocates for violence against a group or puts endangers someone’s privacy. In life we may find ourselves in conversations or with people we can’t censor or shout down so why would we do it online?
People may ask why I’m still on beehaw and the fact is that I don’t agree with many of the viewpoints advocated here but I have to practice what I preach. If I run away from beehaw and don’t contribute then the community gets sucked in further to group think on a specific viewpoint.
People may ask why I’m still on beehaw and the fact is that I don’t agree with many of the viewpoints advocated here but I have to practice what I preach. If I run away from beehaw and don’t contribute then the community gets sucked in further to group think on a specific viewpoint.
To be clear, you’re explicitly stating here that you are sticking around, despite not agreeing with the ethos, in order to stick to your own ethos, which is the following:
I take a view that even if something isn’t “nice” it should never be moderated unless it advocates for violence against a group or puts endangers someone’s privacy. In life we may find ourselves in conversations or with people we can’t censor or shout down so why would we do it online?
Is that a correct read of what you are saying? Or am I completely off the mark here?
Contrary to popular belief, there are actually three options. You can disagree with something by not upvoting it (instead of downvoting it). On beehaw, you can get an indicator of what the overall community thinks of a response by seeing whether or not it has a significant number of upvotes relative to the rest of the content around it.
I find that anything that I would want to downvote should instead be reported anyway. I reserve downvotes on other platforms for posts/comments that are made in bad faith, which on Beehaw is often enough to report for anyway. On other platforms, I’ve seen downvotes used in exactly the way you describe, and it’s led to at least me wanting to interact as minimally as possible knowing that as soon as I post something, some bot might just downvote it right away, immediately influencing the kinds of responses I get because apparently many people operate as part of a hivemind.
So far I have found that being on a smaller instance has been beneficial because most of the small instances don’t get defederated as long as they aren’t actively encouraging terrible behavior (or are abandoned) even if you primarily post at beehaw or something, having the option to find good communities within other large instances is nice. Reddit had some good communities even as the site was going down the enshittification route.
I don’t really care about most of the communities on my home instance, but having access to everything else on lemmy within reason is nice.
I’ve been seeing some of the more mocking, belittling, shouty replies here. And sadly they got upvoted too, which also made me second guess, are these kind of behaviors acceptable?
I came to beehaw after the reddit API thingy, but I have barely replying with the users there for years because of how toxic the community could be. So, in essence I came here, because I’m searching for a safe space where people could be more warm and welcoming, and not just some race towards weird superiority complex.
Sadly, similar thing is happening to mastodon too, people are more and more behaving as if it’s twitter again, lots of shouting. I stopped posting there.
I thought mastodon and beehaw would be a turning point, where internet does not go back to 4chan, usenet, reddit era, but into something of an actual community where people help each other, but I guess that’s wrong.
So yeah, if the hostility / toxicity replies keeps on going, I think I’d also leave beehaw altogether.
Edit: Everytime when I post something like this on social media, I’m prepared for the replies to chase me out.
Nothing gets solved overnight. I realize that f-droid isn’t the be all end all, but hey, be the change you want to see in the world. Maybe Aurora is a stop-gap, but maximize your use of f-droid alternatives and support the developers however you can. Be active in alternatives to the big-tech sites, like posting in beehaw communities.
Poaching something I posted on Reddit /r/selfhosted at the beginning of the year:
Back of the envelope math. Assuming 30,000 active users here on /r/selfhosted x $50/yr = $1.5M / 20 -> $75,000 per year. In other words, if /r/selfhosted gave $50 per person per year, “we” could contribute $1.5M to open source projects we use. Some projects probably wouldn’t know what to do with resources and/or don’t have the infrastructure in place to receive anything, so not a panacea. But for the well organized and developed projects?
It’s sort of wild if you think about it. There are probably 10-12 very popular self-hosted applications with a very long tail, but 20-25 probably captures a very healthy cross section of use. Not every project or developer can accept monetary donations or use them effectively. But $75,000/year is median household income in the US.
There are almost certainly many more open source software and app users than there are self-hosted people - I’d imagine the self-host people are a subset. So what if we add open source software and mobile apps to the collective pool we could financially contribute to - again, $50/year/per able user - maybe the number of supportable applications goes up to 50 or 80.
Leading the thought experiment to a logical conclusion - if 80 open source projects received $75,000/year in donation income (at a minor cost to those able to pay and none to the vast majority), enough in most parts of the world to support a person and possibly a family, we would have more amazing, privacy respecting options. It doesn’t necessarily solve everything, most people naturally free-ride, and organizing many small contributions at a massive scale isn’t a solved problem itself. But, my point is that users collectively have way more power than we realize.
I was on Beehaw and they block downvotes. I didn’t think much of it until I went to a federated channel with low participation (it was a new channel) and I wanted to downvote some bot-spam… but couldn’t cause Beehaw didn’t allow it.
I understand (but don’t agree with) the site operators intention, but their rational breaks down if you view the fediverse as something more than the single instance you’re registered with.
Following the spirit of spreading across the Fediverse (and because my main instance is down so many times, because diverse reasons) I’m intrigued about the joining instance process, because I honestly don’t know what criteria to have in order to join another one if I ever want to do it....
Those are some fair points, about the beehaw defederation I don’t get why they got apart from big instances, now I am seeing it on the others one in registered, something that I couldn’t do before in my lemmy.world account.
moved there from lemmy.world because of downtime and also unclear, sloppy defederation policies. i’ve never seen a clear explanation why it took a month to defederate exploding heads (allowing their userbase to grow 3x) and week for rammy site, but hexbear gets defederated “preemptively”. ???
also now i see beehaw content which is something i didn’t expected, but it’s cool
I did something similar with Beehaw, but found that Lemmy was making my Nas so much louder because of all the data it was writing to disk. So I decided to join programming.dev instead. Some day I want to host my own again but it’s on hold for now
I noticed that, because I went to add my beehaw account that I had created when I joined Lemmy, but I guess beehaw deleted it for being inactive or something. Beehaw still shows up on my instance list, and I kind of wish I could remove it.
Yeah we need something like multireddits which have collections of communities across instances that can be subscribed to instead of the individual communities themselves. So your worldnews could be a single subscription of all the worldnews communities across lemmy.world, beehaw, etc. De-duping for extra credit!
Sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a way to know if kbin is or is not federated with another instance? I know there is a way to block domains by typing in https://your kbin instance/d/domain you want to block and blocking them from there, but is there a way to see a list of instances defederated by default?...
It looks like it is possible on other instances? Beehaw apparently has a list of federated and defederated instances, but it also looks like it might be manually updated by their admins.
Although I don’t fully agree with the sentiment expressed by this thread, it did get me thinking about leaning even further into contributing to an environment I’d like to participate in. I personally much prefer dedicated discussion threads to discussing news stories myself and reading through the comments it seems like...
I don’t think this is the right way to answer the thread you are referencing. Instead, you should start a post in this community talking about something you think might be interesting to discuss. What you’ve done, whether on purpose or not, is create a thread in which people can hide themselves. Instead of creating a new post in this community, they just say in a comment stream what they wish they could have the courage to make a new post about. What you’ve done is create a sub-community within the community. People put in this thread what they’d like to talk about out loud, yet feel better about saying it here because it’s buried. I don’t think you had this in mind by design when you created this post, but this is what has happened. People are posting a response to you with things that they didn’t create a post about. Are you all that afraid of creating a new post? I’m not. I’m trying to figure out a post to create here, independently of this thread, to contribute to this community. I have nothing right now of interest to discuss because I live a hugely dull and boring life. Just as soon as a bird shits on my head when I’m walking under a tree, y’all are getting yourselves a post in chat about it I created. Because that’s pretty much all I can possibly have right now. If you’re smart and take a look at the lay of the land, you have nothing to lose actually starting a new post here that maybe you felt like you couldn’t post on Reddit. Nobody here is going to rip you a new one. You have to be nice. Remember what that was like in society, when you actually felt like being nice? Maybe if you are nice and just accept the fact that people here are nice, you won’t feel the need to do this. I’m super fucking nice. Are you super fucking nice? I swear, this place needs a new motto. “Are you super fucking nice? Be(e) super fucking nice.” I am so into this beehaw thing you have no idea. Make a new chat post about your life that you think might be interesting. I’m at a huge loss. This community is the first to fucking know as soon as something unusual happens to me. I’m making a new post in here. And everyone is going to be nice to me so much I’m going to die from all the love. That’s what make this place the place. I love it!
While this account is an alt, I still interact with beehaw daily, including posting etc.
That said I, too, have tempered my activity. To put it bluntly, largely because of the news and politics posts. I have seen where even mods are calling anything right of european left “far right” and extremists.
I am not particularly left leaning, but it entirely depends on the topic. On many social topics I lean left, on other things, im quite moderate. On fiscal stuff Im either moderate or right. But calling sources like thehill.com far right extremist trash (See the post about young men leaning right), or anything remotely libertarian (which in its own is a spectrum of people) far right doesnt jive with me. I find it antithetical to the principles here. Its done in a perjorative way and one thats clearly not meant to encourage conversation or discussion.
So in a way, Beehaw is not as inclusive as they really want to profess or open to discussion or others opinions (if they are the wrong ones). And rather than getting cajoled or even have mods ban me I have simply pulled back.
Finally I have also seen some communities (and here again Ill point out news@beehaw or politics@beehaw) suddenly having moderation tactics that are HYPER focused (ie: US politics only, but not something that is used as a political football, or US News only) And frankly theres not the scale or participation ot have UK NEws, Canada News, US News Europe News etc.
Couple that with point 1 and again, I have just kind of pulled back a bit
Heres the rub though. If thats what Beehaw wants, Im all for it. Its their call. I am one that doesnt mind having my views challenged if its done in good faith and in a respectful way. That is waht I came to beehaw hoping to get. But it does seem that the mob mentality is taking root and the “us vs them” stuff hasnt been shaken.
I think Beehaw being a smaller, less populated community isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Quality over quantity, as they say. But I personally feel like Beehaw lacks that stronger sense of community that is needed to make something like that work.
Can we please unpin the proprietary off-site/off-network promotion of discord
This is completely counter productive to growing Lemmy. I absolutely despise discord. Look at the network traffic it generates and tell me wtf they are doing. They won’t tell you. Their business model will leave you completely dumbfounded as to how they exist. Everything shared on the platform is lost in a black hole...
Two brands suspend advertising on X after their ads appeared next to pro-Nazi content (www.cnn.com)
how is Lemmy going for you?
Now that a lot of the commotion has subsided I’m just curious to know how y’all are finding the Lemmy experience in general and whether you use it regularly like you did reddit?
A personal request
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Just thought I’d share something I thought was pretty interesting. I have a mother in law who is… well let’s just say she’s a stereotypical older mom who doesn’t own a computer, just an iPad. During the pandemic, she started getting into Nintendo games and bought herself a Switch. Fast forward a few years later and...
(vent) god I hate customers
I’ve said it before on beehaw but I work pizza delivery. You’d think it would be an easy job, just drive around and drop off pizzas and enjoy music, but holy shit the amount of pure hatred I’ve gotten from customers over the dumbest little thing is just insane. I had a guy call me, a white-male, a racial slur because we...
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Following this road is overwhelming
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Do posts from instances that don't allow downvotes have an unfair advantage?
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What made you choose your instance?
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I had to post from my alt account because lemmy.world servers are down (discuss.online)
probably my biggest gripe with Lemmy right now. Feels like I'm just stuck in a loop. (lemmy.ca)
How do I know which instances kbin is/is NOT Federated With? (artemis.camp)
Sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a way to know if kbin is or is not federated with another instance? I know there is a way to block domains by typing in https://your kbin instance/d/domain you want to block and blocking them from there, but is there a way to see a list of instances defederated by default?...
What kind of discussions are y'all interested in having?
Although I don’t fully agree with the sentiment expressed by this thread, it did get me thinking about leaning even further into contributing to an environment I’d like to participate in. I personally much prefer dedicated discussion threads to discussing news stories myself and reading through the comments it seems like...
Beehaw lacks community
Apologies for the clickbaity title or for the messy wording to follow. I’m not great at articulating myself....