It could be optical and IR too. FORTE11 is likely the RQ-4, as it’s in a much more dangerous (as in, the Ruskies might lob a missile at it if they’re feeling like they want to fuck around a bit) spot, and the RQ-4 is basically just a modern, unmanned spin on a U-2. They have Synthetic Aperture Radar, electro-optical, and IR sensors whose upper ends of fidelity are classified. So yeah - on a clear day, it’s absolutely feasible that they could be getting optical/IR intel (probably BDAs for the storm shadow strikes the Ukranians are doing, if I had to guess) from Sevastopol and other places in Crimea.
Because I'm not paranoid about the country that's been providing me with support and targeting data flying a plane off the border that can look into Crimea?
So, again, from your perspective, why should Ukraine be scared?
The same “country” is providing help to other dictatorshisp around the world worst than russia like saudi arabia, israel, turkey, egypt and many others. If we are talking about usa the country has a long history of meddling with other nations and spy on them
@cloud@flying_monkies yes, we do, but looking back through centuries of history, you will find that EVERY country with any kind of power has always done so. Turkey (Ottoman), Rome (RC church and Roman Empire), Eqypt, Athens, Spain, France, Germany, Russia, England, Nordic, USA, Aztecs, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc. This is NOT NEW. Back up and get perspective. It will help with the sand in your shorts.
US collaborates with dictatorship around the world like saudi arabia, egypt, turkey and many others. Some of that are in direct partnership with russia. China who is also a commercial partner of usa sells weapons to russia.
They provide intel for who? To me it just looks like they are playing their own games and helping ukraine because it benefits them in fighting a proxy war with russia and boost their own economy. Why wouldn’t i be concerned about a group that has a long history of meddling with other countries and that runs all sort of surveillance programs?
To me it just looks like they are […] and helping ukraine
Yes, yes exactly.
Why wouldn’t i be concerned about a group that has a long history of meddling with other countries and that runs all sort of surveillance programs?
Alright, that’s a fraction of a point there. Yes, technically Ukraine might be wary of these activities, and some individuals most certainly are. Reasons exist, as you point out.
But you cannot ignore the context in which that happens. Ukraine is being invaded. Cities are occupied, children get stolen, missiles smash into civilian buildings. In a situation like this, a 3rd party possibly spying on you is pretty low on your list of priorities. You very much would care more about the invader’s planes in the sky, not the supporter’s planes in the sky, as if your life depends on it, because it does.
In order to care about your privacy, you first and foremost need to stay alive, and be free. Even more so since that same 3rd party provides the most help to fend of the attacks, which are the actual, very urgent, problem.
It’s like you are drowning and worry the rescue diver might not share your political beliefs. Yes, in a different situation that might be a reasonable concern, you maybe don’t want to get so close to this person. But if your life depends on it, priorities shift a bit.
If your concern is cities being occupied, human trafficking and civilian casualties you should be concerned a lot if the guys who have been doing this for a century keep stalking you. You cannot ignore the context in which israel bombs palestinians, turkey bombs kurds, saudi arabia and egypt make people disappear and the west literally endorse it. If you are fighting for justice and freedom these who don’t endorse it are not your friend and will never be.
You are aware Ukraine asks for help, and more help? It’s weird how you spin this as stalking.
In which way would Ukraine be better off if they refused outside help? They accept more attacks getting through, more people being killed and the chances for victory diminishing, but they gain the moral high ground, some kind of purity, or what exactly is the deal?
Are you somehow suggesting the west providing the help which was requested is worse than Russia invading by force? This is so weird.
Apple makes iphones in china, china sells weapons to russia. Companies in USA are funding China who arms russia, weird isn’t it?
Not so weird to me personally once you understand that they do it for money and that they don’t or ever gave a fuck about people dying in useless wars.
Ok wow, what a groundbreaking insight. Yes, that’s pretty much common knowledge. They don’t do it out of the good of their heart, but because it suits their own motives. So what?
You suggest to refuse to be rescued by a rescue diver because it’s their job, and they do it for money? Again, what’s the alternative? More bombs destroying your cities, and killing your citizens.
Ah no, we should not look at the invasion and the actual war going on, but rather be afraid of allied spy planes helping out. Big brain time.
If the rescue diver is a famous kidnapper you probably don’t want to be rescue by them. Stop making stupid examples and stay on topic. The alternative is to turn on your brain and stop advocating for one dictatorship to take over another.
If we have any duty at all it to fight against all sort of injustice. Funding the mafia and orchestrating terrorist attacks to scare off people in order to stop “communism” to me sound just as scummy as your idea of communism you claim we have a duty to stop.
Anyway I encourage you to learn history and learn about communism, read Marx books. You are not supposed to like it or agree with it, just read it to actually understand what it is about
The nazis were literally stopped by stalin and his troups. Could you explain how communism is so bad that orchestrating a terrorist attack against civilians and murder childrens to blame them is justified?
Nato and usa tried to stop “communism” with the help of former nazis.
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