Biden releases AI executive order directing agencies to develop safety guidelines

The executive order comes after a series of non-binding agreements with AI companies.

The order has eight goals: to create new standards for AI safety and security, protect privacy, advance equity and civil rights, stand up for consumers, patients, and students, support workers, promote innovation and competition, advance US leadership in AI technologies, and ensure the responsible and effective government use of the technology.

mojo,

More and more of these “safety” proposals just serve to kill open source AI, only allowing a few mega corps deem what we can do with them while remaining advertising friendly of course. Freedom dies in the name of “safety”, especially technology that is governed by people who have zero concept of how it works besides a scary ambiguous buzzword.

DarkThoughts,

What's the point if they're non-binding? AI should be privacy friendly and open, otherwise we end up with some serious problems down the line.

donuts,
@donuts@kbin.social avatar

The President has limited authority and cannot make laws unilaterally. For sensible AI regulations and laws we will certainly need Congress to do its job, and clearly they're pretty damn bad at that.

Rouxibeau,

Dress codes are more important.

halcyoncmdr,

We can joke about it all we want but the reason is that things like that, naming of post offices, etc. are basically not political and easy to pass quickly. Real legislation takes time.

fubo, (edited )

Unfortunately this doesn’t seem to address the “takeoff” problem: the use of AI to build more-capable AI, the creation of autonomous AI systems that can develop self-protection drives (see Omohundro 2008), etc.

AI systems should not be allowed to control economic resources until alignment is solved. As it stands, if a major company were to turn over its management to an autonomous AI system, there’s a good chance that’s game over for humans – including the humans who made that decision.

The safety problem of autonomous AI systems able to (for instance) obtain their own resources or optimize their own code have been known since long before GPTs or deepfakes were a thing.

Unfortunately “AI safety” has largely been coopted to mean “stop humans from using deepfakes to bully or deceive other humans” rather than “stop fully-automated corporations from taking over the economy and running the planet with even less humane ethics even than human-run corporations do.”

(Think selfishness or greed are a problem today? Consider a megacorp run by an entity that literally has no other drives but to protect and expand itself, thinks billions of times faster than any human board of directors, and cannot die. Say what you like about Bill Gates, he at least seems to enjoy curing diseases.)

Fafner,
@Fafner@yiffit.net avatar

Plenty of unemployed AI ethics folks around to ask.

bioemerl,

They're unemployed for a reason. They're a cult and not actually doing anything worthwhile.

DarkThoughts,

Being pro privacy is now being part of a cult? Projecting much?

bioemerl,

AI ethics people aren't about privacy.

They're running around pretending there is some imminent technological singularity that's going to wipe out humanity and we have to stop it before it happens.

I have no issue with privacy, but AI has very little to do with privacy beyond "don't let the government track you".

DarkThoughts,

but AI has very little to do with privacy beyond "don't let the government track you".

lol

bioemerl,

AI doesn't collect your data. Companies and governments do.

DarkThoughts,

Good grief dude...

jsdz, (edited )

AI that is used to monitor cameras and identify our faces to track everywhere everyone goes: Why would that concern you? Do you have something to hide, citizen?

AI that might be used to generate agitprop, competing with conventional advertising: HOLY SHIT we need a new international treaty right away!

ericisshort,

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    nurple,
    @nurple@lemmy.world avatar

    The National Institute of Standards and Safety (NIST) will be responsible for developing standards to “red team” AI models before public release, while the Department of Energy and Department of Homeland Security are directed to address the potential threat of AI to infrastructure and the chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and cybersecurity risks.

    The rules will be developed by agencies with relevant expertise.

    bioemerl,

    Those agencies don't have relevant experience and this will largely be guided by shitty upper level breauricratic types.

    nurple,
    @nurple@lemmy.world avatar

    breauricratic

    I do not trust your assessment of their expertise.

    Cheekiness aside, there are plenty of people with tons of tech expertise working in the federal apparatus. Let’s hope they’re put on this project.

    bioemerl,

    From experience with their results in a similar field: no.

    foggy,

    Good thing we have a guy in office who grew up without a fucking computer.

    👴🇺🇸

    BrianTheeBiscuiteer,

    And all of us grew up without AI. 🤨

    foggy,

    Yes, I’d rather have someone who grew up with some semblance of modern technology be the one at the helm enacted policy relating to it.

    AnonTwo,

    Honestly given the outrage you're giving in this thread I don't feel like any regulation would make you happy, regardless of who did it.

    foggy,

    …outrage?

    You got outrage from an old man emoji?

    That’s on you.

    AnonTwo,

    Outrage is doubling down when people gave completely reasonable answers to what you said.

    foggy,

    Lol, no it is not.

    AnonTwo,

    Well if you're fine with textbook answers, then you'll be fine with people pointing out, in textbook answer, that the president has no real bearing on this since it's not being written by him.

    Or if you're not fine with a textbook answer, then we can circle back to you being outraged for doubling down. Your call 👍

    foggy,

    Lol, you keep assigning an emotion to me, which you are incapable of doing. It’s adorable that you’re so persistent.

    No, I am not outraged at anything here.

    Hope you have a nice day 😀 🥂

    EncryptKeeper,

    American legislative policy affects literally every individual, business, and industry in the country. Do you expect the president to be personally experienced in IT, medicine, law, military operations, transit, construction, manufacturing, agriculture, marketing, finance, distribution, logistics, food service, sales, sports, fire service, flight, and literally every industry that exists in the United States?

    DarkThoughts,

    That's not even the problem. He could still make good policies, since he's not even making them himself. The issue is that they're apparently non-binding, which means it's simply a worthless gesture at best.

    nurple, (edited )
    @nurple@lemmy.world avatar

    You do know that Biden didn’t personally draft this himself, right?

    It delegates the specifics to agencies with relevant expertise. That’s how the executive branch works.

    foggy,

    Oh, sorry, for a minute there I thought he was the commander in chief and that the policies enacted under his supervision were to reflect on him directly

    Silly me.

    Hereforpron2,

    There’s a big difference between “reflecting on him” and actually being the one to write the policy. I don’t see why the former is an issue.

    EncryptKeeper,

    That was pretty silly. Especially given that “commander-in-chief” refers to his position in the U.S. military structure and has no bearing on his legislation and domestic policies.

    fubo,

    That’s the “unitary executive” theory, which is specifically GOP doctrine.

    teft,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Grew up without one? He’s 80. He probably didn’t even use a computer before he was 50.

    Zorque,

    Pretty sure there were computers in the eighties.

    tcely,
    @tcely@fosstodon.org avatar

    I can confirm. I have touched several of the computers sold before 1990 in my lifetime.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=ErwS24cBZPc

    To be fair, many people didn't use computers much, back then.

    @Zorque
    @teft

    teft,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    I’m basing my comment on my life experience of growing up in the 80s and 90s. Most people in the time period did not use computers. A lot of people thought they were nerdy. So someone like Joe Biden who is a “cool guy” politician almost certainly never touched one until he needed one for work. Total supposition on my part but I would put money on it.

    BassTurd,

    That would be relevant if he were the one writing the policy, which he’s not.

    BearOfaTime,

    Yawn.

    There’s plenty to criticise, but this particular take is fucking moronic.

    Everyone grew up before insert current new tech.

    I grew up before cell phones, PC’s, internet, streaming, torrenting, etc, etc, and I bet a years salary I could explain all of those things in pretty good detail and many, many, many, many more than you, extemporaneously, (i.e. at the drop of a hat) , while drunk and high.

    Would you say the same about LBJ, who is THE reason we have NASA, moon landings, and all the derivative tech (including the internet you’re currently using)?

    Pick a dozen other valid reasons to criticise him, this take isn’t.

    Sabata11792,
    @Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

    Do you know how little that narrows it down?

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