Martin Scorsese urges filmmakers to fight comic book movie culture: ‘We’ve got to save cinema’

Martin Scorsese is urging filmmakers to save cinema, by doubling down on his call to fight comic book movie culture.

The storied filmmaker is revisiting the topic of comic book movies in a new profile for GQ. Despite facing intense blowback from filmmakers, actors and the public for the 2019 comments he made slamming the Marvel Cinematic Universe films — he called them theme parks rather than actual cinema — Scorsese isn’t shying away from the topic.

“The danger there is what it’s doing to our culture,” he told GQ. “Because there are going to be generations now that think … that’s what movies are.”

GQ’s Zach Baron posited that what Scorsese was saying might already be true, and the “Killers of the Flower Moon” filmmaker agreed.

“They already think that. Which means that we have to then fight back stronger. And it’s got to come from the grassroots level. It’s gotta come from the filmmakers themselves,” Scorsese continued to the outlet. “And you’ll have, you know, the Safdie brothers, and you’ll have Chris Nolan, you know what I mean? And hit ’em from all sides. Hit ’em from all sides, and don’t give up. … Go reinvent. Don’t complain about it. But it’s true, because we’ve got to save cinema.”

Scorsese referred to movies inspired by comic books as “manufactured content” rather than cinema.

“It’s almost like AI making a film,” he said. “And that doesn’t mean that you don’t have incredible directors and special effects people doing beautiful artwork. But what does it mean? What do these films, what will it give you?”

His forthcoming film, “Killers of the Flower Moon,” had been on Scorsese’s wish list for several years; it’s based on David Grann’s 2017 nonfiction book of the same name. He called the story “a sober look at who we are as a culture.”

The film tells the true story of the murders of Osage Nation members by white settlers in the 1920s. DiCaprio originally was attached to play FBI investigator Tom White, who was sent to the Osage Nation within Oklahoma to probe the killings. The script, however, underwent a significant rewrite.

“After a certain point,” the filmmaker told Time, “I realized I was making a movie about all the white guys.”

The dramatic focus shifted from White’s investigation to the Osage and the circumstances that led to them being systematically killed with no consequences.

The character of White now is played by Jesse Plemons in a supporting role. DiCaprio stars as the husband of a Native American woman, Mollie Kyle (Lily Gladstone), an oil-rich Osage woman, and member of a conspiracy to kill her loved ones in an effort to steal her family fortune.

Scorsese worked closely with Osage Principal Chief Geoffrey Standing Bear and his office from the beginning of production, consulting producer Chad Renfro told Time. On the first day of shooting, the Oscar-winning filmmaker had an elder of the nation come to set to say a prayer for the cast and crew.

davemeech,

I was admittedly on the train with Marvel until End Game and thoroughly enjoyed it. I’ve since fallen off the MCU. I’ll still catch Batman, but otherwise I’m on board with moving on.

stevedidWHAT,
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

Old man doing old man things moving on 🙄

qwertyqwertyqwerty,

Not every film can be a cinematic masterpiece. I wouldn’t want to watch nothing but masterpieces, it would be exhausting. On the flip side, there can absolutely be comic book movies that are masterpieces. Logan comes to mind.

IMALlama,

Logan was certainly a great movie, but a lot of what made it great were the years we had spent with the characters. Without that the movie wouldn’t have been nearly as impactful. The fact that we knew what wolverine and professor x were once capable of, and then seeing them in their present state, really helped set the backdrop for the movie.

mechoman444,

Guardians of the galaxy 3 was absolutely amazing on every level!

Comic book movies can be good. What Martin Scorsese means to say is woke culture is ruing good story telling.

Just write good story’s and don’t be an asshole.

jackpot,
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heres the thing, comic book movies as a concept arent bad but theyre executed terribly. disney and dc both fucking suck horrendously, thwyre unbearable

KingThrillgore,
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People removed about it, and its because Martin is 100% right. Comic book things are collapsing now at Disney.

aaaaaaadjsf,
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

No lies detected.

Honestly tuned out of the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe stuff after the Avengers Age Of Ultron movie. It all felt so manufactured and artificial by then already.

UlyssesT,

“The danger there is what it’s doing to our culture,” he told GQ. “Because there are going to be generations now that think … that’s what movies are.”

and you’ll have Chris Nolan, you know what I mean?

same-picture

Farman,

With covid around you shuldnt go to a movie teather.

Disney cape shit sucks i agree. But be responsible and dont go to enclosed crowded places when there is an airborn plague.

NuPNuA,

Get over it, most people are vaxxed now and don’t see it as a particular risk. I sat in a full showing of Oppenheimer the other month and came out fine and healthy.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime,

Did you time warp from August 2021 or what?

dangblingus,

Once X-Men hit at the box office, all the movie studios snatched up every single comic property they could get their greedy little hands on.

yumcake,

This comes off as very “Old man yells at clouds”.

People will watch what they want to watch. It doesn’t matter if you want them to watch something else. He’s free to make non-superhero movies, and people will watch it if they prefer it. You can’t dictate “taste” to people.

MayonnaiseArch,
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You can, it’s called education.

catfish,

I agree. pass the popcorn the comments already begun

Corkyskog,

My take on it is eventually viewers will tire of the genre, and it will fade out into the background like most other genres. Dramas were all the rage in the 40s, Westerns were very popular in the 50s, in the 70s and 80s you have disaster films and pure action type stuff that was incredibly popular, the 90s had the start of some very popular independent films, and the late 90s and early aughts had a lot of popular fantasy/epics and animation films.

None of those genres completely went away, and some have had resurgence from time to time. Comic based movies won’t be dominating forever. There was and still are a lot of complaints about the movies made in the previous couple decades, and I think it says something that people are finding these comic stories so compelling. I think “Hollywood” needs to look in a mirror to remind themselves why these types of movies have became so popular… is it just everyone attached to beautiful art and special effects? Or is it perhaps that maybe their storytelling wasn’t as great, or original as they thought, and they are losing out to stories written decades ago because they are just simply more interesting?

Meowoem,

Yeah, people remember a handful of classic war movies or westerns and think that era was magical but for every great film there was a hundred terrible cookie cutter cash grabs.

I would love to see some more directors focus on making great art but the reality is that’s incredibly hard.

SpaceCowboy,
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I feel like technology has changed things a lot. In the past when there was tube TVs with crappy resolution and poor quality sound you had to go to a theater for good quality picture and sound. Now TVs are good enough that if you’re going to watch a 3 1/2 hour long movie about some gangsters in their 70s reminiscing about a hit they did many decades before, you’re better off watching it at home. Why would someone want to go to the theater for that?

Now people go to the theater for the spectacle. Big event movies that people get dressed in costumes for. Movies with big effects that their home TV and sound system just won’t give as good an experience.

Serious dramas? I’m not getting anything more from watching it at the theater than I’m going to get at home on my TV.

And why is that a bad thing? A modern 4K TV with even just a speaker bar probably gives a better viewing experience than people had when they watched Taxi Driver in the theaters in 1976.

Cynoid,

It’s definitely an issue, but it’s not an unworkable one. Villeneuve films for exemple, while a bit hit-or-miss on the characters, definitely use the format in a way where you loose something if you watch it on TV instead of in a theater.

DJDarren,

I saw BR 2049 in the cinema, and even now, several years later, I wish I could see it again that way. The sound over that enormous system was absolutely incredible, in a way that I could never recreate in my terraced house with neighbours. That’s the draw of cinema for me these days.

SpaceCowboy,
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Those are big special effects movies. You’re certainly not going to Villeneuve movies because they’re well written. Well the writing in Dune is good, but only because he’s sticking close to the novel. But even with Dune, I’m obviously not going to the theater for the story (because I already know the story) I’m going for the visuals and sound.

dolphinmx,

I’m already tired… Spiderman gets recycled ever so often because of the license they have, then the multi verse was fine the few first movies but gets annoying after, then you get super heroes that only hard fans know and no one else.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime,

I actually think the multiverse concept is a super annoying and obvious cash grab. At no point did I think “oh cool these movies connect”. From the first moment to me it read as “oh they’re planning to make 100 movies and tying them together is just a tactic to con people into seeing all 100 the same way people have watched plenty of sequels they know will suck, but they just want to finish the trilogy”. Then the first time I heard it referred to as the “Marvel Cinematic Universe” I threw up in my mouth. I’ll never understand how people didn’t get bored and jaded after… 10 years max. We’re now sailing past 20 years from where I see this as all starting and it’s still some of the most popular shit of all time.

Send_me_nude_girls,
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I believe Disney is doing it on their own by now. Look at what is happening to Marcel and the DCU, I see only big failures recently and viewers are exhausted by it too.

Corkyskog,

What? The last Marvel Movie Gaurdians of the Galaxy 3, was released 5/5/23, had a budget of 250M and has earned 850M. That’s far from a big failure. You might not like them, but they are far from “failures”.

GCostanzaStepOnMe,
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ITT: people are mad because someone doesn’t like their mahvie movies

rip_art_bell,
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