dipshit,

oh, snap!

BartyDeCanter,

Could someone ELI5 whats wrong with snaps? I see hate for them all over the place but as an end user with little technical knowledge of linux packaging they seem fine? I can install them and use them, they don’t appear to have any anti-FOSS gotchas, so whats the big deal?

vector_zero,

I think it’s another fine example of Canonical pushing its own products rather than supporting and enhancing existing standards (flatpak and appimage), which people are getting tired of. Also, as I understand it, the snap store itself is proprietary and is therefore controlled by Canonical.

notatoad,

there was a time when they were slow, but that’s mostly been resolved.

but it’s really just a cult thing now. people hate snaps because they think they’re supposed to hate snaps.

bear,
@bear@slrpnk.net avatar

I hate snaps mainly because the server is proprietary. Everything else wrong is negotiable or solvanle, but that’s a nonstarter.

bear,
@bear@slrpnk.net avatar

The server isn’t open source, so Canonical has the sole ability to control snap distribution. It’s also yet another example of Canonical’s “Not Invented Here” syndrome, where they constantly reinvent things so they can control it instead of working with the rest of the open source community. They also trick you into using snaps; for example if you explicitly tell it to use apt to install Firefox, it’ll install it as a snap anyways.

Historically they performed really poorly as well, but my understanding is that they’ve largely fixed that issue.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

“Ah, come on man, Gort?”

“Come along, Gort.”

“Are you talking to me?”

“No, my capybara’s name is also Gort.”

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/2/2f/Gort_original.webp/revision/latest/scale-to-width/360?cb=20210311040200&path-prefix=protagonist

davidgro,

Klaatu Barada N… Necktie… Nectar… Nickel… Noodle…

Rolive,

It’s definitely an N word!

emhl,
@emhl@feddit.de avatar

If Canonical gives up on snaps, do we call the current Ubuntu time period “the Blip”?

EvacuateSoul,

Too late, I’m on Manjaro for the TV computer now. Super annoying when all I use it for is a browser for Jellyfin when the update popup shows up all the time and doesn’t even update when you follow its instructions.

I know and did the workaround a couple times, but updates through apt is one of the major strengths of Linux for me. Or pacman now, whatever Manjaro has.

intelati,

I mean a TV console just screams LTS Debian to me. Just the most solid of solid distributions

EvacuateSoul,

I should give it a shot. I went with the best sounding option when googling for distros that handle scaling the best. That way I can keep resolution high for movies, but have text at 200% without certain system menus being tiny the way they were on Ubuntu with Gnome.

possiblylinux127,

Just use Linux mint

dym_sh,
@dym_sh@lemmy.world avatar

that only works until you need Lua 5.4 which has conflicting dependencies aaand now im on NixOS

possiblylinux127,

Couldn’t you just install it in a container? Distrobox makes it easy to get something like Fedora which has newer packages.

dym_sh,
@dym_sh@lemmy.world avatar

if i wanted containerized environments, i would pick alpine, but it all makes most trivial things so much more complicated — i just want global install dang nabbit, just keep all your sandboxing on process level controlled by the kernel, give me my userspace freedom

possiblylinux127,

To each there own I guess.

banazir,
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

How many time does Canonical have to do sketchy shit before people catch on? Seriously.

Nalivai,

Installs Ubuntu.
It is Ubuntu.
Gets angry.

RacoonVegetable,

Gort is not angry. Gort is calm.

ILikeBoobies,

Snaps aren’t bad, Canonical might be but then why use Ubuntu?

AlpacaChariot,

$ df -h one billion lines of snaps

This annoys me more than it should!

CeeBee,

When I still used Ubuntu, I had an alias on all my systems/servers

alias dfh=‘df -h | grep -v snap’

This shouldn’t be necessary.

azurefirefly,
@azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

Snaps at least integrate into the command line will. Flatpak running dolphin it’s flatpak run org.kde.Dolphin or something compared to snap which is just “dolphin” Doesn’t change the fact that you can’t get snaps to use Breeze which is unacceptable.

spez,

alias dolphin=“flatpak run org.kde.Dolphin”

azurefirefly,
@azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

Why should I have to do that for every flatpak I install?

guskikalola,
@guskikalola@vivaldi.net avatar

@azurefirefly @spez If I recall correctly you can autocomplete the package name. I understand what you mean, having this long names can be underproductive when you know only one app exists with that name, but imagine having various apps with the same name. This naming allows for easier identification

azurefirefly,
@azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

From a software side I understand but that isn’t gonna help the average joe schmoe from running kmymoney

spez,

That is a pain, yeah.

KISSmyOS,

You don’t have to. You can just write a bash script once that creates the alias automatically for every flatpak you install.
Or use one that someone else wrote.

azurefirefly,
@azurefirefly@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

sudo rm /bin/bash && reboot

droans,

If we’re removing bloatware, don’t forget /boot/.

It’s a computer, not a shoe. How would it even walk in a boot?

whatwhatwutyut,

Why exactly are you putting shoes into boots and not feet??

MetalJewSolid,

I needed a safe place to keep my shoes

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

I compress the shoes and store them, tight and safe, under my toenails.

mvirts,

I would rather run literally everything in docker than use snaps

stoicmaverick,

“Hang on boss, I have to restart the ‘ls’ container! Just a jiff!”

observantTrapezium,
@observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca avatar

I recently tried Ubuntu after many years, needed Docker and it told me to install it as a Snap, I thought, OK, whatever. I’m anything but a newbie, but for the life of me I couldn’t figure out where the volumes were actually kept. That was the primary reason to abandon this experiment.

mvirts,

Sounds crazy. Lol docker is definitely an insane way to run desktop apps, but it’s the insane way that I’m comfortable with 😹

observantTrapezium,
@observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca avatar

To containerize desktop apps I prefer Apptainer/Singularity, that’s pretty portable, usersapce, and requires less tinkering to integrate with the system than Docker. I use it for Zoom and other closed source crap. AppImage is probably the more standard solution for that that’s very similar technologically, but I’m already familiar with Apptainer from work.

mvirts,

I’ve never used those! Gonna have to check them out

mvirts,

Idea: snap installer called crackle that just unpacks everything (relatively) normally. Should be primarily for pop os. Snap, crackle, and pop.

vsh,

Blud thinks he’s anti-thanos smh 💀💀

JCreazy,
Killing_Spark,

It makes me unreasonably happy that I knew what channel that is because I knew that animal from the main channel

Holzkohlen,
@Holzkohlen@feddit.de avatar

Just use Debian or Linux Mint Debian Edition and call it a day.

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