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synceDD, in [meme] What would cities be like today if we had never demolished our streetcar networks?
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  • mulcahey, in [meme] What would cities be like today if we had never demolished our streetcar networks?

    I saw a stat going around a couple years ago that back at the streetcar peak, you could travel from like NYC to Madison,WI entirely by street car (I’m paraphrasing; can’t remember the exact cities.) Does anyone know the stat I’m talking about? Would love to find the source

    DavidDoesLemmy, in [meme] What would cities be like today if we had never demolished our streetcar networks?
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    Come to Melbourne, Australia. We have trams .

    NarrativeBear, (edited ) in Real Estate/City Staff want 6 storey apartment buildings in more Toronto neighbourhoods but will developers build them?

    Developments like this can spur the need for more transit options around cities, such as Trams/LRTs and trains. It can also keep business in the city and inside your neighborhood and make a city more walkable and enjoyable. Ultimately less car dependent.

    The hard part for cities is to implement this well. Currently almost all new buildings in north america prioritize 1 and 2 bedroom units. Trying to find a well priced 3 or 4 bedroom in a “lively” downtown center, close to transit and work, with plenty of schooling in the area is almost impossible.

    Here’s another good article talking about why developers don’t provide adequate family units.

    centerforbuilding.org/…/we-we-cant-build-family-s…

    If this same building technique was implemented in north america, together with rethinking zoning requirements it could push developers to create these “missing middle” communities.

    meowMix2525, (edited ) in Can’t believe the car would do this all by itself

    Kinda new to this sub but if you want the “fuck cars” perspective on this; when cars were first introduced to the US there was actually a moment of national consideration on the safety of speeding motor vehicles suddenly infesting our towns and cities and the associated injuries (some 94% initial increase in child fatalities, for example). Many people preferred improvements in public transport at the time and in fact there was a proposal in Cincinnati to require by law that cars be fitted with a device that would limit their speed to just 25 mph (this proposal would soon be stamped out by a well-funded “vote no” campaign). If cars themselves were to blame, then regulators would go after cars and those responsible for their creation, i.e. the auto industry.

    The auto industry responded to pushback like this by banding together to manufacture consent for their products, thus creating a massive propaganda campaign that blamed individual reckless drivers and pedestrians (inventing the term, “jaywalking”. Streets used to be for people AND vehicles, so this was a massive culture shift. “Jay” being akin to the term “hick” at the time.) for the uptick in road deaths that, of course, wouldn’t exist if not for the phenomena of cars itself. This allowed them to then use road fatalities to argue in favor of increased accommodations for vehicles in cities.

    Source: Slow Cities, Introduction: changing cultures of speed, Tranter & Tolley (highly recommend, it’s available to read for free here as part of the PMC COVID-19 Collection for some reason lol: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7325856/ )

    Anyways, all in all, I’m not really sure how this fits here. Although a bit philosophical (read: Virilio, the original accident, “to invent the [car] is to invent the [car] accident”), the car itself is in fact partially to blame. There’s not many other ways for the common person to accidentally destroy buildings like that. If there was no car, or at least that person was not compelled to own it, that wall would still be intact.

    meowMix2525, in watchaout guys our free market is being thretened by communists on bikes and trains

    quietly leaves this introduction to slow cities here weeks after this meme was posted, hoping like-minded people will find it and read it: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7325856/

    ch00f, in watchaout guys our free market is being thretened by communists on bikes and trains

    Clown guy isn’t putting on his own makeup. Look at the orientation of the hands. You’re welcome.

    someguy3, in [article] Certificate to own car in Singapore rockets to $106,000

    Is this also commercial use?

    AdamEatsAss,

    No, it’s to own a car for personal use. Singapore is a city state, emphasis on the city part. The article also says it only takes 60 minutes to drive end to end so the need for a car is probably minimal. The fee they are referring to here was created to reduce the amount of cars on the roads to help with traffic. Singapore has a pretty robust public transit system so for most people it probably isn’t a deal breaker. I’m glad to see a country taking action to limit car dependance.

    YerbaYerba,

    Wikipedia mentions the fee for commercial vehicles is slightly less at 75k. Even motorcycles are subject to the fee and quota.

    Fried_out_Kombi, in [article] Thumbtacks strewn across Montreal bike path as tensions rise between motorists, cyclists
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    When people tell you there’s a war on cars, it’s projection. There’s a war on anybody and everybody not in a car.

    bionicjoey,

    Technically since wars have two sides. That does mean there is also a war against cars. It’s just that the cars have been winning for a while.

    derpoltergeist,
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    Nouveau_Burnswick, in [article] Thumbtacks strewn across Montreal bike path as tensions rise between motorists, cyclists

    I’mma start chucking thumbtacks in car lanes then.

    Szymon, (edited )

    Thumbtacks won’t pierce the walls. Two inch nails with rubber bands wrapped around the bottom creating a base might do something like that, but that’d be wrong and illegal and a silly idea that’ll get you some unwanted attention

    papalonian,

    I’m trying to picture this contraption you describe (for educational, completely non-practical reasons of course), where does the cotton and rubber bands go?

    Szymon,

    Cotton was a typo, meant bottom. !0 there you go

    papalonian,

    Wouldn’t that angle the tip downward though? Unless you were hand placing them upward

    Szymon,

    That’s how i got a flat once when I drove away after parking in a sketchy place.

    perviouslyiner,
    jerkface,
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    Opposing motorism AND freeing chickens from captivity. Good instructable!

    bionicjoey,

    Hypothetically speaking, I think tetrahedral caltrops would work better.

    Nouveau_Burnswick, in [article] Thumbtacks strewn across Montreal bike path as tensions rise between motorists, cyclists

    Okay, the loss is 250, but of how many?

    I can’t find a fixed value for the number of spaces in the Burrough, however this CBC article suggests that 29.8% of the Burrough is parking (bike lanes are 2%).

    The burrough is 16.5km^2. Therefore 4.917 km^2 is parking. Parkingindustry.ca offers 8" x 16" as the average parking space in Canada, which is 0.000011891589 km^2. I’m going to round up to 0.00002 km^2 to make math easier and absorb non-stall area of parking lots.

    That gives us at least 245,850 parking spots in the Burrough. So the percentage of parking lost is 0.1%.

    Villeray–Saint-Michel–Parc-Extension resident parking permits cost $100 for most cars.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
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    Is that 29.8% the percent of total land or the percent of total street space? The article’s wording is kind of vague.

    As an aside, I also find it very frustrating how one woman quoted in the article said this:

    “When you’re doing a project like the bike lane, have a compromise in mind,” Bailakis said in an interview outside. “Why do the old people, kids, families get booted out [of the conversation] just to please one people: the bike people?”

    It’s such a gross way to portray the topic. They just automatically assume the car as default and treat bikes like some thing that only the “bike people” use. I might ask her why she believes my sister, who had her driver’s license suspended because of a medical condition, doesn’t deserve the same rights as those physically fit to drive. My sister can ride a bike just fine, but just can’t drive, and yet car-dependent urban design strips her of what ought to be equal rights to mobility.

    bionicjoey,

    “Why do the old people, kids, families get booted out [of the conversation] just to please one people: the bike people?”

    How are old people and children benefitting from cars over bikes???

    Fried_out_Kombi,
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    Clearly children and the elderly are literally physically incapable of using any mode of transit besides a car, thus our car-dependent hellscape is actually an act of charity out of the pure goodness of our hearts!!

    /s

    bionicjoey,

    I love knowing that children and the elderly make up a large percentage of drivers.

    Nouveau_Burnswick,

    Is that 29.8% the percent of total land or the percent of total street space? The article’s wording is kind of vague.

    Dunno, I assumed total area, and balanced that by giving nearly half the area to “parking area” that didn’t count towards the number of stalls.

    I haven’t been up there, so I don’t know that the burrough is like. I’d also be unlikely to see anything not within 1km of a metro station even if I did go, so my view would be biased anyways.

    Alternatively, the population of the burrough is 143,85, so they are removing one stall for every 575 residents (all residents, not just driving residents).

    teft, in [article] Thumbtacks strewn across Montreal bike path as tensions rise between motorists, cyclists
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    I would just laugh at their lack of knowledge. My tires are filled with a tubeless compound that fills holes. Anything short of a sidewall blowout barely slows me down.

    jerkface,
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    When you are laughing, watch out for wire strung across the trail, that is always the next escalation.

    frostbiker,

    I’ve heard of hunters placing wires strung across MTB trails at neck height. In Spain several people have died or become tetraplegic due to them. You can’t see the wire in time to do anything about it.

    jerkface,
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    It is common all over the world. We all have basically the same monkey brain, we all have the same stupid ideas. It’s the good ones that are rare.

    HopeOfTheGunblade, in [article] Thumbtacks strewn across Montreal bike path as tensions rise between motorists, cyclists
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    It's not clear to me where the people who are all for bike lanes but also want the parking spaces to stay think the space for bike lanes is going to come from. We aren't Time Lords, we can't just fold a few extra feet of space into there. So what is it that they actually want?

    JamesFire,

    So what is it that they actually want?

    No bike lanes. But they know they can’t say that, so they hem and haw about “careful cautious progress” that looks very suspiciously like no progress at all. They talk about compromise, but their idea of compromise is they get everything they want, and everyone else just has to work around that.

    This video is about racism, but the same general points apply to urbanism and car dependency.

    This timestamp til about 20mins (17:45 to 20:00) names a bunch of specific examples (of racism), and explains the thought process behind dismissing them as examples, which again, very much applies to urbanism and car dependency.

    (Also the entire video series is good, but not quite relevant here)

    Basically, they don’t want anything to actually change. They have no problem admitting that symptoms are problems, but fixing the core issue would require admitting that they’re part of that core issue, and they’d have to change. And they don’t want to.

    cyborganism, in [article] Thumbtacks strewn across Montreal bike path as tensions rise between motorists, cyclists

    One day this summer, all the Bixi rent-a-bikes had their tires slashed in my neighborhood.

    awwwyissss,

    So next someone will do it to cars.

    tacosanonymous, in Dude, Where's My Self-Driving Car? – SOME MORE NEWS

    Love me some Cody Showdy. Bonus watching him chug AG1 Green.

    FlyingSquid,
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    I love watching him drink it, but I don’t know that I would.

    Phegan,

    I’ve tried it. It’s actually not bad. It doesn’t taste good, but it’s not bad. Oddly chuggable.

    Also love me some showdy.

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