Lemmy developer, @SleeplessOne1917, argues for the killing of Israeli civilians and children

dumdum666, 8 months ago

Good time to switch to Kbin I guess

clueless_stoner, 8 months ago

Let’s keep in mind this doesn’t really mean anything for Lemmy instances. It is open source.

Ghostalmedia, 8 months ago (edited 8 months ago)

True, but there are not very many people contributing a lot of code, so this guy has a lot of sway over which items get prioritized out of the massive backlog.

And as a mod, I’d really like the few people coding to produce some expanded moderation tools… so I can easily spot and address toxic comments like the ones this dev makes.

IMHO, this guy’s behavior feels like it conflicts with his current influence over Lemmy’s mod toolset.

Edit: typos

Ategon, 8 months ago (edited 8 months ago)

Ive been working on a soft fork of lemmy called Pangora to prioritize development on different areas that the main lemmy codebase has been neglecting (such as mod tools). Gives a different option than the main lemmy codebase for supporting development and as redundancy for if anything goes wrong (although not production ready atm as its still getting mostly set up) !pangora

antik, 8 months ago

👀

spaduf, 8 months ago

Really glad this exists. Thanks for all your work.

Spzi, 8 months ago

Stories like these can make it less likely that other people contribute to the code, making the platform grow slower, which affects all instances.

ExLisper, 8 months ago

Personally, I would accept a PR from a convicted murderer if the code was good. It would be a problem I would have to have meetings with this person but if he just submits code why would I care? There are no political opinions in code. It’s not like code written by a rapist somehow pollutes my codebase.

GeneralVincent, 8 months ago

Yeah the code might be fine. But if I want to support the development of Lemmy, say with a donation, am I financially supporting a piece of shit?

I’m not saying every contributor has to be thoroughly vetted, or that I have to agree politically with every contributor. It just feels icky, and I get the concern users have.

GONADS125, 8 months ago (edited 8 months ago)

I donate to Lemmy.world but that doesn’t go to this Lemmy dev in question, only Ruud and his team. You can donate to specific instance admins who aren’t batshit crazy hateful scumbags and support the growth of healthy instances.

ExLisper, 8 months ago

Interesting point. Well, if it’s up to me I would even share the donations with this piece of shit. Because what do you mean by “supporting him”? Letting him earn some money by doing work? What’s the alternative? Letting him starve to death? Personally I’m against death penalty so I do believe that even the worst piece of shit has the right to work and earn living. And frankly, writing code seams to be perfect way for such a person to do it: they are not around other people so no one is in danger and they are not spreading his sick opinions. And people like this earning their living are better than society maintaining them out of our taxes.

It absolutely does not make anything ‘icky’, it’s a silly way to look at it, childish really. If a convicted murder bags your groceries is your food icky? If a child rapist cleans your street is the street icky?

And here we’re not talking about murder or rape, just some online posts. Opinions don’t taint code. I know people like to cancel everyone now but this is really getting absurd. The only “concern” users have is a concern that this week they didn’t get outraged enough and didn’t cancel enough people.

kglitch, 8 months ago

Code does not exist in isolation from the community of developers that produced it. Who we collaborate with defines us, to some degree.

ExLisper, 8 months ago

Code is completely separate from the community. Community is formed by people and code is just bunch of instructions. What if a fascist forks your projects and adds features to it? It your code fascists now? Does your community support fascists? Of course not. And if a fascist submits a patch to your project and you accept it it does not mean you’re collaborating with fascists now and your projects is tainted. That’s just absurd. “You’re a bad person so I will not merge this bugfix, I will write the exact same fix by myself so that my code stays pure”.

amio, 8 months ago

Welp. This has been an education in how deranged this place is.

puppy, 8 months ago

This place we are on right now is lemmy.ca. What does it say about it?

DmMacniel, 8 months ago

War is dirty, always has been.

And the year/decade long war/geconide in Palestine/Israel? Sponsored by the west and an utter humanitarian shitshow.

Standing on their own, those statements are sure horrible. But you gotta see the grand picture, then you can only despair and perhaps turn your gaze away or you will be plagued by sleepless nights.

Flax_vert, 8 months ago

I thought we were already aware that the devs are deranged lmao

Railcar8095, 8 months ago

*hexbears: that’s why I’m here

jeffhykin, 8 months ago

I mean yeah, but I do like knowing who and in what way.

onlinepersona, 8 months ago

This is difficult. I don’t contribute code yet, but knowing that these kind of people might have a say in the development of Lemmy, I’m not sure I want to contribute. Maybe !pangora will be more welcoming… dunno.

jeffhykin, 8 months ago

Pease consider the opposite; if a fork is needed at some point in the future, we need people who are familiar with the codebase. It would be, for example, much better for 3 of 4 contributors to be sane than only 2 of 3.