Takios,
@Takios@feddit.de avatar

In German we have a saying that’s quite fitting in this situation I think:

“Tja.”

DarkThoughts,

Machste nix.

Jagermo,

Steckst nicht drin

Elchi,

Seuerrückerstattungsformularausfüllhilfetag

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Wollen Sie mehr wissen?

tja,

¯_(ツ)_/¯

hh93,

In dem Fall schon

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Zumindest in Teilen… Teilchen…

Thetimefarm,

Is it possible to find a situation for which the germans don’t have a highly specific term? Does the concept of that situation have a specific word in german?

SamVergeudetZeit,
@SamVergeudetZeit@feddit.de avatar

Haja

Scend,

„Wortfindungsschwierigkeiten“ would work, literally just means „word - finding - difficulties“

It’s not exclusively made for this but is actually a word that you will hear out in the wild from time to time. For a more specific word we could say something like „Okkasionalismuslosigkeit“ which would translate to „The Absence of an occasional word“, but this is probably the first and last time that is used by anyone

Rhabuko,
@Rhabuko@feddit.de avatar

A bullet in the head or a heroin overdose would have been cheaper and had costs fewer lives, but Russia is Russia. They love their “accidents”.

vzq,

I’m surprised they could spare the SAM.

MrMakabar,
@MrMakabar@slrpnk.net avatar

The plane started from St Petersburg. No SAM needed just a bit of work on the plane.

Quittenbrot,

Russia always has SAMs ready for pax planes…

downpunxx,
@downpunxx@kbin.social avatar

https://t.me/grey_zone/20163

Wagner-linked Telegram Gray Zone says Prigozhin's jet was shot down by Russian (MOD) air defense forces

XTornado,

Based on the past events where they shot their own planes I wouldn’t discard a mistake and not even intended.

zakobjoa,
@zakobjoa@lemmy.world avatar

This was far from the frontlines. Tver is north west of Moscow.

wmrch,

Is that a new variant of the good old russian gravitational poisoning?

CaptObvious,

Well that didn’t take long.

zakobjoa, (edited )
@zakobjoa@lemmy.world avatar

Wagner Channels already announced another March of Justice™ in case YP ate shit.

Ended their message with “you better hope he’s alive…”

Edit: Three separate sources confirmed Prigozhin and Utkin dead. Not only Wagnerites but also ultranationalists are calling for blood.

Hyperreality,

The Guardian reports Wagner allied media are reporting the plane was shot down by Russian air defenses.

DarkThoughts,

Edit: Three separate sources confirmed Prigozhin and Utkin dead. Not only Wagnerites but also ultranationalists are calling for blood.

🍿

tal,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

Wagner Channels already announced another March of Justice™ in case YP ate shit.

My understanding is that they had their heavy weapons taken away and were moved out of Russia, maybe specifically to guard against this scenario. And some people signed contracts with the Ministry of Defense. I don't think that there's much of an intact independent Wagner organization in Russia right now.

A2PKXG,
@A2PKXG@feddit.de avatar

If you were Wagner, would you have kept some guns for later? I would have

tal, (edited )
@tal@kbin.social avatar

So, if you've got the population involved, I could believe that you could do an uprising with small arms, sure.

But this isn't "the Russian public is pissed to the point of fighting", but "some people in Wagner are pissed". Wagner's got military-trained people, but they aren't that big.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

Largest number there was 50K, and I don't think that they're anywhere near that big any more, because they don't have convicts on short-term contracts any more. I think I remember seeing something like 5k in Belarus. Some Wagner people are in Africa or elsewhere. My impression is that the Kremlin wanted them out of Russia as an independent organization -- the people there had to sign on with the military, and I assume that they probably dispersed those. So, a lot of that isn't an internal threat.

I think that they weren't likely to pull off the first march if it came to a serious fight, and that was before a significant portion of the organization was dismantled, and people who agreed with them, like Surovikin, were removed. What was notable then was that a lot of the people in the public, local Russian military, didn't really care, weren't aiming to resist, and they had some level of support from the public, so maybe they could have just rolled into Moscow in some sort of a coup situation and supported that. But if their patrons are gone, I assume that that cannot happen either.

My guess is that if Putin is at risk, it's more because now he's more-dependent now on the military, and maybe someone in the military could perform a coup. He doesn't have Wagner as an independent force to play off against them. Lots of countries have leaders that have been deposed by the military if military leaders think that they can get a better deal with the leader gone.

A2PKXG,
@A2PKXG@feddit.de avatar

I don’t expect another uprising. I just think that prigoshin told himself: putin won’t dare kill me, because then XYZ will happen.

XYZ might also just be a revenge murder, perhaps Putin, perhaps one of his mistresses, whatever…

A2PKXG,
@A2PKXG@feddit.de avatar

I would expect him to have some contingencies. He must have believed that none would dare mess with him.

Lutefisky,

It was either this or an open window.

NotMyOldRedditName,

He probably knew to always stay on the ground floor of buildings that have bars on their windows.

AllNewTypeFace,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

If they can’t bring him to an open window, they’ll do the next best thing and bring one to him.

Elchi,

It was the airplane window that got him.

VanillaGorilla,

Tossed the entire aircraft through a window. Just to make it look like an accident.

Diplomjodler,

Well. Who would have thought. Then again, that seems a pretty cliche way to go. I would have thought he’d make it harder for them.

Flipper,

According to an American agency, he stayed in a hotel without windows. So he made it hard for them.

tal,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

I would have thought he’d make it harder for them.

The guy is on the West's shitlist and then got himself on Putin's shitlist too. Where is he going to go?

The West probably isn't going to assassinate him, but I suspect that he'd likely be heading for a courtroom and later jail cell over some of the things that Wagner did.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/02/03/ukraine-prosecutor-general-prigozhin-wagner/1181675434937/

Ukraine's Office of the Prosecutor General has filed charges against Wagner mercenary group head Yevgeny Prigozhin. The organization is accused of war crimes in Ukraine, Syria and Mali.

Maybe you can hide somewhere, but that's a lot of parties out there who would like to get ahold of you.

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