weker01,

I do not like Orban at all and hate to agree with him, but I think he is right. I think there are two big reasons why Ukraine is unlikely to join the EU proper in the near to medium term:

  1. The EU needs reform when it comes to deciding things when there is no consensus and this is now a very accepted position.The EU will only become more sluggish if we open the gates to another country with veto power.
  2. Farmers. Ukraine is a big (and has potential to be even bigger) aggreculture powerhouse. Many laws (aggreculture subsidies etc) in the EU are not sustainable if Ukrain becomes part of the EU.

These problems are solvable, but take a lot of time I think. Also I don’t think it is in the EUs best interest to allow a war torn/rebuilding market into the single market, but here I could be wrong. Maybe there are reasons (like a way to exploit Ukraine after the war) that would invalidate my theory…

I would like to see the EU expand, but I think it will take a long time.

Mopswasser,

As cynical as it may sound, the war has had an immeasurable cost to Ukraine, they are nowhere near in a capacity to join the EU economically for decades.

018118055,

Hungary metres from leaving

Gamers_Mate,

I disagree with Orban saying Ukraine will take light years to join the EU.
They could join any metre now.

qyron,

That is a measure of distance, not time.

Marsupial,
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  • qyron,

    That is lost on me…

    lemmington_steele,

    that’s why he said: light years away

    as in: there is still a great amount of distance Orban thinks Ukraine needs to cover before they converge with the EU admissions acceptability criteria

    God, I can’t believe I just had to defend Orban

    wombatula,

    “Years away” is also a phrase, honestly it could easily be either and it takes more of a stretch to read it like you did than as a mistake.

    qyron,

    Most people consider light years a measure of time, not distance.

    tetraodon,

    Those people are wrong

    qyron,

    Let it go and allow it to die in peace; the subject is already cold and stiff.

    tetraodon,

    I’ll use liters as a measure of time and there’s nothing you can do about it

    SamsonSeinfelder,

    Hungary out, ukraine in please

    Specimen5451,
    @Specimen5451@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    mate just throw the baby out, the rest of it is fine. I don’t feel like as a Hungarian that I should be punished for what that piece of shit prime minister is doing.

    don’t say to vote him out, that doesn’t work in a dictatorship disguised as a democracy.

    tetraodon,

    Are you asking the EU to stage a coup?

    Specimen5451,
    @Specimen5451@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    however much I feel the other way, I am legally required to say no.

    Also I am legally obligated to say that I do not want the Austro-Hungarian empire to come back.

    DieguiTux8623,

    Hungary should be very close to leaving it instead.

    ZILtoid1991,
    @ZILtoid1991@kbin.social avatar

    Orbán wants to leave for social reasons, but wants to stay for economical reasons. Orbán wants the EU money, but none of the responsibilities expected for it.

    AllNewTypeFace,
    @AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

    His boss in the Kremlin also wants him to stay and wreck the EU from within. Once it disintegrates and Russia gets back its historical possessions up to the Berlin Wall, then and only then will Orban be invited to sit at the Czar’s right hand as a hero of the mighty Eurasian empire.

    PugJesus,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    then and only then will Orban be invited to sit at the Czar’s right hand next to the 8th story window

    FTFY

    PugJesus,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    As we all know, Orban is very connected with the standards and values of the EU, and definitely hasn't screwed his country out of billions in EU assistance because of his authoritarian regime.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    Wouldn’t say Ukraine is highly connected with the standards and values of the EU either, though.

    PugJesus,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    They've made great strides in the past few years. EU integration was a key demand during the Euromaidan protests, after all, and Zelenskyy ran on a platform of anti-corruption and EU integration.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    Absolutely, only time will tell if it sticks though. Forgive me for being sceptic.

    PugJesus,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Oh, no, I understand, skepticism is probably a good position to have. Wouldn't want another Hungarian-style administration to worm its way in to the EU; one is already too many. Or another Poland-style under PiS.

    GregorGizeh,

    We need a multi tiered EU. The core bloc of Western Europe should consolidate further, and drop the eastern contrarians down to accession tier without voting rights. That way the big players can further European integration without having to pay attention to the populist obstructionists who bitch and moan over everything unless they get their way in the process.

    JochCool,
    @JochCool@kbin.social avatar

    Not every Eastern European country is like Hungary though... In fact it's only Hungary, now that Poland's getting a new government.

    Also it's not like Western Europe's free of populists either.

    Hyperreality,

    Slovakia's also getting a new government...

    GregorGizeh,

    Im not saying that any eastern member should be put in b-tier, but they should generally have a pro European stance by not electing right wing populists based on anti EU rhetoric and policymaking.

    Of course im not asking for preferential treatment for the west, if any country fails to meet those criteria the mechanism should also halt their voting rights.

    There are currently too many ways for any single party to prevent the whole bloc from acting, even if everyone else is in favor or against.

    Tvkan,

    theguardian.com/…/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainia…

    We might have to tolerate some ambiguities.

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