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Infinity13, in M1: the normal one

I wouldnt say that the fan is useless on Pro model. I play Path of Exile, American truck simulator so a fan is much needed. Also sometimes i download entire playlists from Youtube, then convert them to mp3. So converting 6 videos at once also requires a fan

psycho_driver, in Apple M3 Pro Chip Has 25% Less Memory Bandwidth Than M1/M2 Pro

No more Jim Keller architecture design. Same thing will probably happen to AMD when they need to move on from Zen. Bulldozer 2.0.

LSNLDN, in How Apple used the iPhone 15 Pro Max to film the M3 MacBook event

I wonder what temperature the phones reached

Infinity13,

Had to be pretty hot. I was recording almost an hour long video 4k60 fps in direct sunlight on a hot summer day with my 12 pro max. Phone was super hot, hard to hold, screen brightness went completely off but it didnt stop recording.

M500, in Apple M3 Pro Chip Has 25% Less Memory Bandwidth Than M1/M2 Pro

I’m pretty close to getting a used m1 air for $500.

I can probably search a bit and get a slightly better deal.

The price might be a bit high, but I’m not in the US and we have higher prices here.

Alchemy,
@Alchemy@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been really happy with my m1 air.

TagMeInSkipIGotThis,

Yeah me too; I bought it to replace a 2013 MBP. Its so light, the battery life is rediculous, and its far gruntier than I need for the work I do which is mostly in a shell / nvim etc anyway.

B0rax,

Well the comparison to a now 10 year old machine is also not quite apples to apples.

TagMeInSkipIGotThis,

Ah well that was just me replacing my personal laptop, so the 10 year old machine had been outperforming my 3 different work laptops (typically Lenovo, running Windows, refreshed every couple of years) all the way up until I got the Air.

DJDarren,

I have 15" M2 Air, and honestly, this laptop will last me for longer than Apple will want it to. An absolutely astonishing bit of engineering.

TagMeInSkipIGotThis,

Heh, well yes i’m sure they would have rather I didn’t hang on to my last one for 10 years; in fact its still going too - like i’d done with the last two macbooks i’d owned it went as a hand me down to my father who just uses it for email & web browsing. I’m hoping the Air will be around a similar amount of time - it will probably come down to battery & flash degradation over time I suspect.

w3dd1e,

I just got one for around $600 in the US on Swappa. I tried to get one cheaper but couldn’t find it where I lived. Anyway, I’m super happy with it. I made sure it was a low number of battery cycles and it’s in near mint condition.

The other day, I was coding in VSStudio, debugging JavaScript in Chrome with multiple tabs open, and logging issues I found on a template in Excel. Excel alone makes my work computer freeze and I didn’t notice a single slow down on this thing. It was fantastic.

I don’t love the way Mac handles open-window management but aside from that I’m very happy.

M500,

Do you have 8gb of ram in your machine?

There is an electronics market where I live. I have a recentish lenovo it actually might be a year newer than the M1 so I am going to try and swap it. Maybe I can go next week.

w3dd1e,

Yeah, just 8. I was worried about only 8 actually but I couldn’t bring myself to spend the extra money on the 16gb (I have a desktop if I need to fall back on it).

So far so good. I haven’t even noticed hitting a wall with the low amount of ram. I forgot to mention, I’m just coding websites. Even with the JavaScript, I’m not building AAA or doing a ton, really.

Viking_Hippie, in Apple M3 Pro Chip Has 25% Less Memory Bandwidth Than M1/M2 Pro

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  • surewhynotlem,

    Just because it costs more doesn’t mean it’s better. Just look at windows 11 vs 7.

    Viking_Hippie,

    That’s my point: it costs more but has less memory bandwidth, which people here seem to consider a GOOD thing, or at least thats what they seem to be trying to convince themselves and others of.

    4am,

    It can be more complicated than “bigger number better”. I don’t think anyone’s trying to justify it, probably just speculate on why it is the way it is

    Maybe Apple discovered that most software’s bottleneck isn’t at the RAM access for user land operations but is with cache misses, and they sacrificed some of the circuitry supporting memory access speed for additional on-die memory? So while you have less RAM bus speed, it doesn’t actually matter because you never could’ve used it anyway?

    I don’t know any real world numbers of any of this, I’m spitballin’ here - but that’s an example of an optimization that could plausibly happen when you are working with hardware design.

    People have been talking shit about Apple since the early 90s, but their stuff still works and they’re still selling it so, miss me with that “no no THIS time they’re playing us all for fools! No, seriously, guys! Guys? STOP HAVING FUN!” nonsense.

    I’ll believe it when the benchmarks come out.

    coffeebiscuit,

    Only one person here who says it’s an easy way to save power.

    abhibeckert, in M1: the normal one

    If it’s a 14" MacBook Pro, then it’s faster, has a better screen, better speakers, etc. Worth the money.

    If it’s a 13" MacBook Pro, then it’s exactly the same as the MacBook Air but with a larger battery and a fan. Don’t buy that one - for almost everyone it’s a worse computer. The thinner/lighter/cheaper MacBook Air is just as fast. The fan on the MacBook Pro will almost never actually turn on anyway so that’s not a useful feature.

    The larger battery is the only actual upgrade. But the MacBook Air battery probably already lasts longer than you need (as in multiple days) and the MacBook Pro is even longer than you need. To the point where it’s not really an upgrade at all it’s a detriment - makes the computer heavier than it needs to be and takes up more space in your backpack.

    Does it have 8GB of RAM, or 16GB of RAM? You should get 16GB if you can afford it. Both of the computers you listed are sold with either 8GB or 16GB.

    doublejay1999,
    @doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

    The Pro has significantly better speakers, mics, additional GPU core and brighter screen and a touchbar.

    Whether these make it a better buy is arguable, but it’s not exactly the same machine.

    IdealShrew,

    i have the 14 inch Pro and it does not have a better battery than the air. It lasts maybe 8 hours at most.

    BudgetBandit,

    They’re both exactly the same, one‘s Pro and the one‘s air

    danielton, in It’s not just you: Apple Weather widget is showing a file icon instead of snow

    The Apple devs are probably lucky enough to not have to deal with snow.

    danielton, in M1: the normal one

    Depends on which MacBook Pro you’re talking about.

    If the MacBook Pro you’re talking about is the 13 inch model with the touch bar, then get the Air, but if it’s the model with the M1 Pro or Max, absolutely go for that. Besides a faster chip, the 14 and 16 inch models have a better port selection, screen, and speakers.

    However, the model with the touch bar is essentially the same computer as the Air but more expensive.

    I have a 16 inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro chip and it’s still a beast.

    BudgetBandit,

    Well, they’re both 13 inch with the normal M1, 8GB Ram 256GB storage

    danielton,

    Then I’d recommend saving the money and getting the Air.

    Toes, in M1: the normal one

    The Pro is probably a better deal, assuming it has more ram and ssd storage?

    BudgetBandit,

    Nope, exactly the same

    CriticalMiss, in M1: the normal one

    If the difference is only 100 euros and you have a need for the additional power, I don’t see a reason not to (that is assuming you’re not financially tight on money). The Pro has better ventilation but it’s slightly heavier.

    abhibeckert,

    The 13" model doesn’t have any extra power. It just has a useless fan which never turns on (with normal use).

    CPU temp on my M1 MacBook Air is currently a few degrees warmer than the ambient air temperature and I’ve got several moderately high load developer tools running right now (including two Linux virtual machines and two IDEs).

    macbean, in M1: the normal one

    I have an M1 Macbook air and use an M1 Pro MacBook Pro for work. For everyday usage I can’t tell a difference in performance. I don’t use them for any video editing or encoding so can’t comment on that. There has been a decrease in performance after upgrading to Sonoma though

    The air has genuinely impressed me. The amount of performance you get from a passively cooled, low power device is crazy

    irdc, in M1: the normal one

    I have an M1 Pro MacBook Pro and really like the fact that I can just plug in an HDMI cable without resorting to dongles. I don’t notice the extra weight. If you already know that you’re going to connect multiple monitors I’d say go for the M1 Pro.

    randomaccount43543, in iPhones have been exposing your unique MAC despite Apple’s promises otherwise

    macworld.com/…/ios-17-1-private-address-security-…

    iOS would respond to address requests with a private address as the source, which made it seem like the feature worked. However, the researchers found that the real, actual MAC address was provided in a different part of the request-response

    That seems like a really sloppy implementation of the feature 😂 I’m glad they finally fixed it but how did it take three years to fix this!?

    randomaccount43543, in iOS 17.1 finally fixes a three-year-old Private Wi-Fi Address security hole

    iOS would respond to address requests with a private address as the source, which made it seem like the feature worked. However, the researchers found that the real, actual MAC address was provided in a different part of the request-response

    That seems like a really sloppy implementation of the feature 😂 I’m glad they finally fixed it but how did it take three years to fix this!?

    willya, in It’s not just you: Apple Weather widget is showing a file icon instead of snow
    @willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

    I thought it was just the beta, beta-ing.

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