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Is Ubuntu deserving the hate? (lemmy.ml)

Long story short, I have a desktop with Fedora, lovely, fast, sleek and surprisingly reliable for a near rolling distro (it failed me only once back around Fedora 34 or something where it nuked Grub). Tried to install on a 2012 i7 MacBook Air… what a slog!!! Surprisingly Ubuntu runs very smooth on it. I have been bothering all...

wiki_me,

It’s pitched as a open source operation system, yet the snap store is closed source and vendor locked, one of the reasons some of us use Liniux is because we prefer open source (and there are rational justifications for that).

Hate is a strong word, but there is legitimate criticism, I also think the closed source nature of snap led to the fact that it has no volunteers and that eventually caused malware to appear on the snap store multiple time, it never happened on flathub as far as i know.

Today for beginner i think opensuse and linux mint are better.

Regarding debian having old packages , i use nix but it is fairly immature, flathub should also work.

wiki_me,

There is a graph you can follow, just select the one language you are interested in.

You can also adjust which quarter of which year will be shown.

Has a date, or ETA been announced, or rumored for the release of Lemmy 0.19?

I hope that this post doesn’t come across as impatient, or demanding – I fully understand that Lemmy is donation funded, and is created out of the benevolence of the devs. I am merely curious if any announcement has been made in regards to a specific ETA. I am certainly excited for its release, but I also completely...

wiki_me,

“rc” means release candidate, meaning they think it is ready so they want to test it but they don’t know if it is ready, so nobody knows for sure but it won’t be long probably.

wiki_me,

unfortunately other data is not encouraging , the number of servers is both down since the exodus and in the recent month.

I think the number of servers is a interesting metric to look on, it correlates with users who are tech savy and are early adopters, before the exodus the number of servers was growing consistently , despite the number of users mostly staying the same, That was IMO an indication of the relative quality of lemmy at the time and indeed it seemed to got the most benefits from the exodus out of all the reddit alternatives.

compare that with peertube which shows consistent growth in the number of servers (see this month, and long term), I think what makes them better then lemmy currently is that they currently seem better at prioritizing feature development by using a dedicated site.

Also the total donations have declined in the last month (from €3962 to €3,771 today), So i think we should try to not get overconfident and work to secure the future of lemmy or some other open source reddit alternative.

wiki_me,

Before the Reddit exodus, I don’t remember many active servers besides Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad (there was Lemm.ee and Lemmy.ca but they both had like 3 posts a week). Hexbear wasn’t federated, and servers were mostly being desperately spun up in anticipation for a flood of users who would crash the network.

There were about 80 before the exodus (may 2023), compared to to 40 (may 2022) and 15 (may 2021), about double the servers every year which is good considering this is “word to mouth” growth, even older data shows a clear growth trend, my guess is that i and others didn’t really see them because they are some dude community, even today i think i will have a problem listing more then 5-10 lemmy servers.

wiki_me,

That said, Torvalds continued, “Rust has not really shown itself as the next great big thing. But I think during next year, we’ll actually be starting to integrate drivers and some even major subsystems that are starting to use it actively. So it’s one of those things that is going to take years before it’s a big part of the kernel. But it’s certainly shaping up to be one of those.”

I don’t know about that, languages which are based on standards (c++ , javascript, c) seem to have much better enduring popularity, i don’t want to see rust becoming less and less popular which will lead to less available developers (like what is happening with ruby).

wiki_me,

This bug still exists (using nix-channel without name causes errors, a basic feature IMO) so watch out.

Unfortunately nix still needs work on it’s UX.

wiki_me,

Linking to the source code from the main page could be helpful , itcould attract more contributors, and show the project is open source, some people tend to prefer open source projects.

Having an optional login and some sort of karma system like wusoup.com could also help making sure the discussions are relatively high quality, and you will get less people just sexually harassing.

wiki_me,

Best you can do is accuse something of being open washing, or correct people by saying that it does not fit the OSI definition which is widely accepted (it’s based on debian guidelines) and the software is at best “partially open source”.

Having a github page with a list of problematic projects and licenses could be useful.

wiki_me,

That might be useful if someone will want to learn if a particular project is not really open source, and raise awareness to the issue of open washing, if it will get enough links it might appear on search results raising even more awareness to the issue.

You could always start it, ask for positive feed back saying it will motivate you and validate that the efforts you are doing are useful, you could later abandon it and someone else might take it and continue to maintaining it.

wiki_me,

At this point i think everybody should just use the AGPL instead of the GPL.

wiki_me,

But the demand is high. There are lots of users, many in a corporate sense using my software to further progress their organization.

tbh there will always be demand for free work, these small libraries that people don’t support seem like free code to me that corporations can write themselves relatively easily.

There is a lot of challenges to this. And these are only the things I thought of. I’m sure in reality it’s even more complicated. That’s why I don’t think the moral reponsibility at the moment falls on these companies. There needs to be a system in place that handles the contributions from users and distributes them to projects and dependency projects.

There are plenty of options and case studies for how to do this, in particular tidelift (which was started by a legit open source contributor) is one option, people manage to raise money using open collective and offer incentive through patreon (vue.js is a good example).

wiki_me,

Sounds like something related to openstreetmap, maybe contact them and see if they can do something with it?

Louvre: C++ library for building Wayland compositors. (lemmy.world)

Hello, yesterday I officially released Louvre v1.0.0, a C++ library designed for building Wayland compositors with a primary focus on ease of development. It provides a default method for handling protocols, input events, and rendering, which you can selectively and progressively override as required, allowing you to see a...

wiki_me,

You mentioned it being easier then wlroots, but wayfire and phoc reportedly act as high level abstractions on top of wlroots that could be used to make it easier to create window managers (wayfire author explicitly mentioned it), Maybe it will be good to create a comparison with these projects? or even divert your future efforts to one of them?

wiki_me,

Theoretically yes, in practice a project gains reputation and it’s managers gain skills and experience, so i fork isn’t always migrated to easily and it might be harder to keep it going, look at reddit , having the source code didn’t really help and despite lemmy being in development for years the reddit ecosystem (RES in particular) still has advantages that are important at least to me.

wiki_me,

No i am using lemmy.ml, there are still a few things that are better for power users, for example there is no support for multireddits despite it being the issue with the most “thumbs up” on the lemmy bug tracker, RES ability to not show comments that are “read” really helps with deep diving on a certain topic.

wiki_me,

Maybe if someone will offer paid management of this software, people could contact the artist and suggest it as an alternative.

wiki_me,

Seems like some open source dev that responds to the “boycott wayland gist” and is against wayland.

wiki_me, (edited )

Yes, I do care about the politics of people not in the political space. I don’t think people harboring such lunatic views should be legitimized.

It’s interesting that when when this type of hardline attitude goes against the bias of the left people will say it will just make people more radical.

Apparently in the US you can discriminate based on political opinions, in my country that is not true and i prefer it that way, People in FOSS should not discriminate based on political opinions, people should be able to handle criticism even if it is incorrect and try to have a rational discussion (harder then it sounds).

I am a bit old and i don’t remember so much hate between political sides (there is research showing people don’t really have an accurate picture of what the other side believes), i blame for profit media and for profit social media for that, i feel like people used to be better at having productive and civil discussions. it’s like people became so sensitized they can’t hear things they don’t like. luckily lemmy is better as it shows both the upvotes and downvotes so you can see the expression of unpopular political opinions is at least partially appreciated (and probably why lemmy feels more normal to me then reddit).

Edit:

My hunch appears to be correct according to a systematic review of Radicalization through Social Media:

Individuals must have critical social media literacy to counteract the rising radicalization through social media. Individual users’ political interests are key factors in their radicalization such as citizens losing faith in the government and political parties. Active rather than passive searchers of violent radical material are more likely to engage in political violence.

The one thing I miss from reddit: Being able to look at and continue conversations in deleted posts.

I really like lemmy and have stopped using reddit months ago. My only real gripe with lemmy is the title: when a conversation gets going in the comment section, that gets killed when the post is deleted, for whatever reason. I can’t even go back to a conversation and have a look at the comment threads to “dwell in...

wiki_me,

I find that problematic from an ethical perspective.

You are not entitled to the moderation you want, host your own instance, it’s their club.

obligatory

wiki_me,

The point is i think it is a moderation decision to do that, you are welcome to host your own instance with a modified version of lemmy.

Lemmy Moderation needs WAY more transparency and accountability if the platform is to survive

As it stands right now, individual mods have way too much power to fuck up the platform by banning people for political reasons and the modlog is not even remotely adequate in providing a full story on such actions. This isn’t too big of an issue now, but as certain instances have proven, it has the potential to become a...

wiki_me, (edited )

There is this proposal about feedback on moderator actions, and didn’t see a request for adding an ability to appeal , maybe open a issue?

wiki_me,

Maybe because these are niche products? so not enough interest to test them.

wiki_me,

tbh IMO i Don’t think you could persuade them to do that, the whole make decentralized social media more decentralized is not something that will have significant value to them, would be better to have some volunteer led non profit with a governance model that has a decentralized power structure as the “default” option.

wiki_me,

They’ve been completely dropping the ball for years. I used to donate regularly but have completely given up on this project. It’s a farce at this point.

Liberapay shows the number of donors has almost doubled in the last few months (look at “view income history”), so i hope it is an indication that they made good changes to the project management and the future will be better.

wiki_me,

It still has advantages, you don’t have to depend on some server and trust it will keep your data, you can build features on top of a certain front end and don’t have to re-implement functionality and maybe even support multiple front ends.

wiki_me, (edited )

Tagging users (for example “lemmy developer”), keeping scores of upvotes and downvotes, and marking comments as read and hiding them.

See the feature requests for lemmy i made for details.

wiki_me,

I wonder if the ideal of advanced filtering works in practice with current open source social media platforms.

wiki_me,

Would help if they have a repo with a test suite anyone can run, like in science making it easy to reproduce results.

wiki_me,

Premium subscription is ad free, It’s easy to judge but maybe that’s what he needs to do to make a decent income.

But yeah some financial transparency would be nice, maybe have a fundraiser where raising X amount of money would make it ad free.

wiki_me,

Have you tried nix? I wonder if it works better.

wiki_me,

I think he’d also do well to make a “this is why you should use bcachefs of ext4” sort of post to bring awareness to the project and its benefits.

Isn’t that what the website is for?

wiki_me,

It might be useful to have some sort of graph showing if the donations are increasing or decreasing, something like graphtreon or liberapay view income history, If they are decreasing (which might be the case as active user count and number of servers is decreasing), it might be an indication we should evaluate or reevaluate some things about the project.

wiki_me,

I really like this linus torvalds quote:

Don’t ever make the mistake [of thinking] that you can design something better than what you get from ruthless massively parallel trial-and-error with a feedback cycle

People have opinions but lets be completely honest here what do they know? Why not trying to build it and see what happens, it might work, btw I myself thought about having something like “fediverse greatest hits” that would show the most liked posts for a particular hashtag so maybe that could be configured to do that.

wiki_me,

I suggest people add anything really great to !bestoflemmy .

wiki_me,

100%. I never wanna work for public company again. I left a huge one after constant thrashing of canceling projects and trips so the accountants could move money around for the quarterly earnings reports only to revive after. Went to a couple small private ones then yr ago employer went public. Been so downhill so fast. Company isn’t recognizable to the one I accepted offer from. I’m leaving when I find a private fit.

I would consult a lawyer, basically iirc you can add to the bylaws that you are not just about making money and then you are only obligated to share dividends if you keep the majority of the voting rights.

wiki_me,

That’s yet another example of why you should not believe everything you read online, see this .

wiki_me,

Maybe we can add individual pages to awesome-lemmy listing individual features that are interesting.

Another option is slant.co that enables listing pros and cons of software and voting on them and the software itself, I added a question here so feel free to add options , the website is closed source but currently i am not aware of a better open source option (maybe we can ask libRate to add this functionality).

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