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Teri_Kanefield, to random
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And for our Thanksgiving dinner, we are having homemade Chilean empanadas.

This is not at all unusual if you're Chilean. (My husband is from Chile and he's a good cook.)

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@kevin

A mixture of beef, onions, olives, raisins and amazing spices.

Teri_Kanefield, to random
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Answering this question: https://law-and-politics.online/@[email protected]/111429189190084052

Nobody really knows what is meant by "officer of the government." It might include the president. It might not. A president occupies a unique position under the Constitution.

Basically what the judge did was punt the issue to the appellate court.

The judge found that Trump incited an insurrection (a finding of fact) but didn't find that he was an officer of the federal government (a matter of law).

Here's why the distinction matters . . .

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Teri_Kanefield,
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If an issue that goes to an appellate court is an issue of law, the appellate court reviews de novo, which means that no deference is given to the lower court.

See:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/de_novo

With an issue of fact, appellate courts are more deferential to lower courts.

I didn't read the decision but this is from ABC⤵️

As far as what the judge was thinking, your guess is as good as mine, but from this, I'd guess that . . .

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Teri_Kanefield,
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. . . the judge found more textual support for finding that the president is not an officer than for the finding that he is.

Picture a balance scale with slightly more weight on one side.

So now it goes to the appellate court, which might have more nerve than the trial court.

The important part of the finding, though, was that he incited an insurrection.

The appellate court can overturn that, but it unlikely and more difficult because of the greater deference to findings of facts.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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Welcome to the world of constitutional and statutory interpretation.

Basically, the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court says it means because the Supreme Court is the final arbiter and the Constitution is stuffed full of phrases and words that can be interpreted in different ways.

An interpretation of the word "reasonable" in the Fourth Amendment has literally filled books.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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The Third Section of the Fourteenth Amendment was added to the Constitution after the Civil War to keep former Confederates out of the government.

The idea was to prevent backsliding.

It didn't work because, by the late 1890s, the government and Supreme Court were stuffed full of Confederate sympathizers who rolled back the advances made during Reconstruction and gave us racial segregation.

You can keep out the insurrectionists but not the insurrection sympathizers.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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Judge Luttig offered a passionate critique of the Colorado judge's decision.

With most legal issues, it is possible to argue both sides.

People read these passionate critiques and think "The judge was wrong."

The only conclusion is "Luttig believes the judge was wrong."

Maybe my attitude comes from defense appellate work, which means mostly losing and rarely liking court decisions.

(My clients always lost at the trial level and the presumptions on appeal were against them.)

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Teri_Kanefield,
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Adding one more comment:

The court left wide open the possibility that the appellate court may find that Trump was an officer.

Sort of humbly, the court didn't think it should be the one to make the call.

I think that Colorado certainly has the right to keep Trump off the ballot. I also think that these court proceedings would satisfy due process.

So we'll see.

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Trump has filed a motion for a mistrial in the New York case. The motion is here:
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=N0PX1FMtdplL/b5Oq9DwXg==

I've never practiced in New York, but I think it's safe to say this is a slam dunk in the Loser Department.

Complaint #1: The court, in newsletters, linked to articles that the Trumps think are unflattering to them. (I have no idea what this is about. It's pages 3-4)

Then we get into their beef about the law clerk.

Here, I suggested it's misogyny:
https://law-and-politics.online/

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Teri_Kanefield,
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I included a screenshot to show the bold and italics.

Then of course they talk about her personal social media accounts and a picture of Schumer.

Their argument is:
(1) She is acting like a co-judge, therefore,
(2) anything she does in her personal life is as if she is a judge in the case.

Wrong, and wrong.

This whole thing is for the Court of Right Wing Public Opinion.

That way, when he loses, it will be because the Judge Hates Trump.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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Here we have something unusual: As evidence, we get statements from Trump's lawyers.

So . . . the lawyers are acting witnesses offering testimony?

"Your honor, this whole trial is unfair. I can prove it! My lawyer said so! I'd like to enter his testimony as evidence."

Then of course they bring in the unfairness of the gag order. Again their assumption is that she isn't staff. She's a co-judge.

They looked up all of her political contributions.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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@AGTMADCAT

I will answer for everyone.

Teri_Kanefield,
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Someone asked: At what point is a motion so ridiculous that it gets the lawyer who filed it disbarred?"

Disbarred would require knowingly (and probably repeatedly) lying.

Sanctions can happen for frivolous filings, but this is rare in criminal cases or a cases when the government is going after an individual.

Because of the power imbalance, defendants have a lot of latitude.

Most criminal appeals in CA lose. I think the success rate is about 5%. Motions for mistrial are probably similar.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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Some criminal appeals that have gone on to change the law of the United States felt, at the time, like Hail Mary appeals.

That said, this one is weak and obviously for the court of public opinion.

They are trying to apply standards for judges to a law clerk on the theory that she's a co-judge, which is a bit unhinged.

Interesting thing to observe: the appeal was a way around the gag order. They're attacking the clerk throughout this document.

They do have a right to appeal, though.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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Whether this motion is frivolous or a nontransparent end run around the gag order, I can't say.

It could be.

If so, it is an interesting development.

They are accusing her of violating the court rules for the amount of donations she can make in any given year.

But a "mistrial is a drastic remedy to be used only sparingly to prevent manifest injustice. . .

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Teri_Kanefield,
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. . . and is appropriate only whenever circumstances arise that cast substantial doubt upon the fairness or impartiality of the trial.

Because the underlying premise is wrong (she was a co-judge) I'm sure that a law clerk's personal business doesn't effect the fairness of the trial.

The only thing that might have created the circumstances that cast "substantial doubt" are all Team Trump's attacks on the clerk, and in my world (not NY) that can't be a basis for a mistrial.

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Teri_Kanefield,
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Whether this motion violates the gag order is an interesting question.

I didn't follow the trial as closely as others, but it was clear that the lawyers for Trump planned to raise the issue of the clerk on appeal. They made a point of creating a record, so the judge knew they would do this.

I'm not sure a gag order can prevent a person from raising issues in motions and on appeal. (Possibly nobody knows because I doubt anything like this ever happened.)

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