If you have an account on a PT instance with (a recent version of) the livestream chat plugin installed, you can join from there: just copy/paste the live url in the search bar of your instance
The key was adopting #XMPP protocol for the chat; the @prosodyim server embedded into the plugin federates with other instances like Peertube ones.
You can join the chat with your XMPP client of choice as well! (And you identity is not revealed to other participants, being the chat semi-anonymous)
Most users care more about contact discovery than privacy so it makes sense for them to implement it and unlike Signal, it uses #xmpp so everyone has the freedom to use any other app that doesn't require a phone number and you are still able communicate with everyone on Prav.
According to Google Trends, during the past few years, there has been nothing but a few minor bumps that faded away as quickly as they came. I love RSS because i do not have to scroll through dozens of different news sites all day and i would love it to return....
Doch für moderne Messenger-Dienste wie WhatsApp, iMessage oder Signal fehlte bislang ein vergleichbarer offener Standard.
Das ist natürlich Blödsinn. Es gibt schon lange offene Standards wie zb #xmpp oder moderner auch #Matrix. Die haben sich nur nicht durchgesetzt, hauptsächlich weil die Firmen, die jetzt wieder mal einen neuen Standard durchsetzen möchten, die boykottiert haben.
I wonder, when people complain about #XMPP having so many XEPs and clients not supporting all of them, are they aware that the web is the same way? There are so many features and web browsers don't always support the same subset but webdevs deal with it just fine without thinking that will kill the web.
Plus, Googlers said on the XMPP mailing lists that they shut down federation because of spam, because we all know Google doesn't know how to manage spam in a federated network... (hrm email)
A thing @ploum wrote about corporations wrecking and killing decentralized things (in this case, Google and XMPP) -- and why it's essential to learn from history to resist further corporate destruction:
This blog post by Ploum, who was part of the original XMPP efforts long ago, describes how Google killed one great federated service, which shows why the Fediverse must not give Meta the chance
I think the key thing is to just make sure that you don't use non #FOSS clients. #GoogleTalk started as a client for #XMPP, people migrated to it, and then #Google dropped support for #XMPP. If so many people didn't use #GoogleTalk, the #XMPP network would have remained unimpeded.
It is battle tested, standardized, widely used, have open source servers and apps, end-to-end encryption (OMEMO), self-hostable and are low on ressources and federated / decentralized....
@mattj, you are totally right re extensibility & I probably worded that a bit awkwardly (I blame jetlag).
I guess my gist would be:
• XMPP is amazing, but also complex
• complexity ⇒ many clients
• small(ish) user base ⇒ not all clients support full Jabber XEP
• ⇒ choice paralysis or bad experience with first choice
• ⇒ user base stays small(ish)
🐔 & 🥚
IMHO to break out of it, we need critical mass (again).
How do you feel about registering in XMPP by phone number?
Recently, the Prav app was released in F-droid. In this application, registration is by phone number....
Why are people hyped about RSS regaining relevance? (lemmy.world)
According to Google Trends, during the past few years, there has been nothing but a few minor bumps that faded away as quickly as they came. I love RSS because i do not have to scroll through dozens of different news sites all day and i would love it to return....
Messenger-Apps: Bauanleitung für plattformübergreifende Chats – netzpolitik.org (netzpolitik.org) German
any xmpp interesting room you would recommend
for instance on free software, linux, bsd, … ?
How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) (ploum.net)
This blog post by Ploum, who was part of the original XMPP efforts long ago, describes how Google killed one great federated service, which shows why the Fediverse must not give Meta the chance
IMHO XMPP / Jabber is the best Instant Messenger (IM) protocol
It is battle tested, standardized, widely used, have open source servers and apps, end-to-end encryption (OMEMO), self-hostable and are low on ressources and federated / decentralized....