OurToothbrush,

Well if the largest purveyor of violence on the international stage tells us stuff about a smaller purveyor of violence on the international stage, it must be true, right?

TotallynotJessica,

Or maybe it is true because the smaller purveyor is still pretty terrible and has openly been super imperialistic. They do not deserve support or respect simply because they oppose a country that is larger in almost every way. It’s possible to not simp for empires yah know. Enter transactional agreements with them to support yourself, sure, but don’t think of them as friends. Russia was totally in the wrong, as they started it to everyone’s detriment, including their own.

experbia,
@experbia@kbin.social avatar

Of course they are. Citizens can be conscripted.

dunning_cougar,

Oh no Putler bad!

TheSaneWriter,
@TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com avatar

Unironically yes, Putin is like Hitler in some notable ways and is in fact very bad.

dunning_cougar,

Apparently, lots of users here love him.

boredtortoise, (edited )

Wonder if those groups are organic but misled or crafted by China and Russia agencies.

I’ve read a couple of times that Russia should be supported because USA/NATO attacks countries and stages coups in Latin America for example.

Sure, everyone should be critical of the USA but we can also have a nuanced view.

A thought experiment: What if the USA (Russia) were to invade Mexico (Ukraine)? Should Latin America (Europe) support Mexico (Ukraine) from the invasion?

The same can be applied to other continents. China & Taiwan. Turkey & Greece. Etc

honeynut,

Russia should be supported

Who says stuff like that around here?

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Tankies, tankies say that

artic,

I hate tankies

ricecake,

“in Latin America for example” lmao. coup was staged in ukraine/syria. what about iraq? what about nato expansion? what about…

boredtortoise,

Yes, very good, it applies to those as well. The continent selection in the example is a nice metaphor because there’s a physical border shared

ricecake,

i do not think that russia should take over ukraine, but the war between russia and ukraine is different. 30 years ago they were the same country. there are many ukrainians in russia/russians in ukraine. there was a pro west coup in ukraine in 2014. it’s like war between pakistan and india

boredtortoise,

I almost wrote India and Pakistan as one of the examples. That’s a good analogy as well

SeaJ,

They were not the same country 30 years ago. Ukraine even had its own vote in the UN.

TotallynotJessica,

Literal whataboutism. Ridiculous.

azertyfun,

The anti-US/anti-NATO sentiment turning pro-russian is much older than astrosurfing. American hegemony during the '90s/'00s made it mainstream in many European left-wing parties, especially in reaction to the Gulf and Irak wars. At the time, America was the biggest bully around, used NATO as an extension of its foreign policy, etc. etc. so it was ideologically sound to try to get Europe to build some economic and political ties elsewhere to reduce American influence.

In this new multipolar world where the US isn’t the only superpower around, one must reconsider this sentiment as it clearly works against Western interests. Yet it somehow persists to this day in left-wing politics with some reactionaries who cannot get over the fact that “America bad” does not mean “Russia/China better” (the enemy of my enemy is… still my enemy, STFU).

Aurenkin,

Holy shit, imagine defending genocide purely because of who’s committing it. Take a good look at yourself, mate. Fucking shameful.

mashbooq,

Yes, he’s bad, evil in fact. Saying it in a mocking tone doesn’t change that material reality

nostalgicgamerz,

Imagine simping for a murdering genocidal dictator

Climinteedus,

I was really hoping users on Lemmy were mature enough not to use the caveman speak you see all over Reddit.

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