World carbon dioxide emissions increase again, driven by China, India and aviation

The world in 2023 increased its annual emissions by 398 million metric tons, but it was in three places: China, India and the skies. China’s fossil fuel emissions went up 458 million metric tons from last year, India’s went up 233 million metric tons and aviation emissions increased 145 million metric tons.

Outside of India and China, the rest of the world’s fossil fuel emissions went down by 419 million metric tons, led by Europe’s 205 million metric ton drop and a decrease of 154 million metric tons in the United States.

GarbageShoot,

“Aviation”. Huh, I wonder what this nationless band of aeronauts is up to politically.

SocialMediaRefugee,

Contrary to the perception of the US public China and India are still developing nations.

zephyreks,

The US is increasing it’s primary energy production from fossil fuel sources (by 40% since 2010) and they’re decreasing total emissions? Sure…

u_tamtam,
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That’s… not true? ourworldindata.org/…/per-capita-electricity-fossi…

yogthos,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s absolutely true, just because all of it isn’t burned in US doesn’t change this fact theguardian.com/…/us-oil-gas-record-fossil-fuels-…

u_tamtam,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

You are off-topic, OP’s talking about the share of fossil in energy production.

Or you are misguided (and have been for a while), because the accounting of CO₂ emissions is done where it is consumed. The US being an O&G exporter incurs production, refining and transportation emissions counted on their territory, but the rest is counted in the importing country’s.

yogthos,
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How am I off topic exactly. Fossil fuels are extracted so that they can be consumed. US is facilitating fossil fuel consumption by creating policies that encourage fossil fuel extraction. What you’re doing here is just sophistry to avoid acknowledging this fact.

u_tamtam,
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US is facilitating fossil fuel consumption by creating policies that encourage fossil fuel extraction. What you’re doing here is just sophistry to avoid acknowledging this fact.

What you are doing here is pretend that the US, a non-OPEC country, single handedly governs the worldwide oil and gas supply and demand. Which is the most ridiculous assertion in your opinion?

yogthos,
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I’m not pretending anything. I’m pointing out a basic fact that US is a major oil and gas exporter that has ramped up its oil and gas extraction to record levels. You’re just straw manning here to distract from this fact.

yogthos,
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China’s emissions have entered structural decline while oil has become the main export from US, but do go on

u_tamtam,
@u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

China’s emissions have entered structural decline

We’ve yet to see it materialize in numbers (fingers crossed). So far we are mostly observing a significant decrease in economic activity, which China has made a habit to compensate with large scale infrastructure projects and dumping (e.g. steel), which are inherently large GHG emitters, irrespective of how much renewable electricity is produced.

Also, China seems very far from reaching the inflexion point where domestic consumption-based emissions stabilize: ourworldindata.org/…/production-vs-consumption-co… . This graph also answers how much CO₂ outsourcing actually happens here (i.e. territorial emissions minus consumption-related emissions), which isn’t much at all.

yogthos,
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Thing is that China has demonstrated a continued long term commitment to cutting out fossil fuels, and so far it has been consistently ahead of all expectations cutting emissions. Meanwhile, we see no comparable progress in western countries, and US is now extracting record levels of fossil fuels. The trend in China is to do the actual work to reduce emissions, while the trend in the west is to yap about China while doing more of the same. Also, important to note that per capita emissions in China are already lower than most western countries, and much lower than US.

u_tamtam,
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Thing is that China has demonstrated a continued long term commitment to cutting out fossil fuels,

I mean, the whole world is committed, out of necessity: we have passed peak conventional oil a decade+ ago (unconventional should be about now, shale is what’s setting the US as the largest exporter), and every nation is securing its own energy sovereignty. The trend to renewable is global, wasn’t started by China, China being the world’s largest electricity producer gets to install lots of it in absolute numbers, but is still way behind developed nations in terms of relative to electricity produced.

Meanwhile, we see no comparable progress in western countries

lies and lies, see above.

Also, important to note that per capita emissions in China are already lower than most western countries, and much lower than US.

Yes, we already touched ground on that, per capita, China isn’t doing fantastic, and isn’t trending in the right direction (i.e. its emissions are increasing).

yogthos,
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The whole world isn’t committed though, that’s precisely the problem. The trend to produce renewables is happening almost exclusively in China which now dominates wind and solar by a huge margin. China also happens to be leading in nuclear. Nothing comparable is happening anywhere else, and especially not in the west.

lies and lies, see above.

You do realize that you’re lying about something that’s well documented right?

Yes, we already touched ground on that, per capita, China isn’t doing fantastic, and isn’t trending in the right direction (i.e. its emissions are increasing).

It’s doing better than the many western nations, and significantly better than US. Overall, China’s emissions are now declining. I do love how you keep using old data to paint a false narrative though. Spreading misinformation the way you do is getting harder and harder every year though because more and more data is coming out that even western media can no longer ignore.

u_tamtam,
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Meanwhile, we see no comparable progress in western countries

lies and lies, see above.

You do realize that you’re lying about something that’s well documented right?

so we are back to your difficulty with keeping track of one thread, I see.
Your initial assertion was that no comparable progress is being made in western countries to divert from fossil fuels. None of your links proves this. A single counter-argument suffices to prove you wrong, though but I give you several: ourworldindata.org/…/per-capita-electricity-sourc…

If you can’t digest the fact that China’s current grid is everything but clean, I see no point in continuing the discussion. Also, it could be that you have another blindspot by conflating “electricity production” and “energy consumption” (FYI, China performs even worse there).

velox_vulnus,
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Just gonna leave this here.

Candelestine,

Something about this categorization scheme of country, country, industry kinda irritates me. I understand aviation is a touch harder to pin down to this or that country, but not impossible or anything.

WhatAmLemmy,

The by-country pisses me off in its entirety. It’s nothing but a continuation of the fossils efforts to divide and finger point. If the fossils hadn’t spent the last 50 years delaying and hamstringing renewable investment and R&D, the developing world could have skipped fossils entirely. Don’t let the fossils weaponise xenophobia to shift the blame. They are the reason for the climate crisis and the reason China and India are still increasing their GHG output.

u_tamtam,
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So if we put aside the fact that some amount of GHG must be emitted to lift a country out of poverty, you are saying that you would put blame on lobbyists rather than on corrupt politicians? …

Deceptichum,
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Well one directly funds and enables the other to gain position.

So yes.

4am,

Considering a very similar article was recently posted here with “China, US, and India” instead of “China, India, and aviation”, methinks there be some fuckery happening…

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