randon31415,

Sometimes, democracy is the enemy of freedom. In cases like that, which side do you support?

Addica,

Well in any case, you shouldnt support Authoritarians, or those who rule through imposing long term centeralized control. They are the antithesis to freedom. Anyone can easily label themselves as supporting 'freedom'.

The true strength of democratic systems anyways is that it provides a buffer between people and out of control government entities. This government might have your approval but will the same people be leading in 40 years?? 60 years?? Will they have the same values??

They will have the same powers regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

Da_Boom,
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If democracy is the enemy of freedom, either that means it's not working correctly, or the people have a skewed idea of what freedom is.

Who's freedom? Your freedom? my freedom? Freedom of what? Freedom without boundaries is just Anarchy. but who determines those boundaries - who determines what kinds of freedom constitutes "freedom"

The US definition in its constitution defines The five freedoms it protects: speech, religion, press, assembly, and the right to petition the government.

So to break those down

  1. You can say what you like about the government, but likewise you can't silence anyone else on their opinion. This means they can state their opinion that you should get fucked when you say an opinion they disagree with - they can't actually make you get fucked though.
  2. You can practice any recognised religion freely without persecution. (Note: persecution does not stop people from criticising religion, as that would violate the freedom of speech, it stops government persecution from practicing or not practicing religions)
  3. It allows the press to report freely - the government can't dictate what the press can and cannot say, particularly when it comes to political and governmental matters
  4. Assembly - the right to gather and peacefully protest. - the moment it becomes even the slightest bit violent is when they're allowed to step in.
  5. The right for your opinion to be heard in government. You can post your opinions to government officials and have them be heard - likewise, other people can do the same. It doesn't mean the official has to act on it, just that they have to take it into account.

As to whether or not these freedoms are being honoured is up for debate. You'll have to read the lawbooks for the concrete legal definitions and decide for yourself if

  • the definition is wrong
  • the current situation fits the definition
  • how you would redefine it.

As an Aussie I have no say in how your country is run - and my own country has its own issues, but I do impore you to understand the position on the global stage your country has and why it affects us all.

aragon,

When a party form a government on its own i.e without any coalition partners, they tend to target the opposition with all the arsenal be it CBI , ED and sometimes even the Judiciary. However the elections are fair and impartial for the most part. Just recently, BJP got its ass handed to it in a state election in Karnataka. They may win the federal election again but it is hardly a death of democracy. Their grip on states have been slipping and once it goes out, they will most likely lose the federal government as well. The same happened during Indira Gandhi era. The same is happening now. Democracy survived then and will survive now. I am not saying there is no assault on democratic institutions in India. But they have proved resilient enough to prevent a democratic collapse as portrayed in this article.

Admetus,

And it's already been pointed out that the actions of Trump and Bolsonaro mirror the same undermining strategy but failed. Still, Modi controls nearly all the media now so it's going to be stronger propaganda than Fox News.

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

and just look at what happened to Fox News: finally knocked off of their pedestal after decades of being #1-- by MSNBC

LibertyLizard,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

MSNBC which does only marginally better reporting than Fox News. I have mixed feelings about this.

I haven’t looked at the numbers but I wonder if this is driven by the consolidation of media consumption by left-leaning consumers and the fracturing of media consumption by right-leaning consumers.

BrooklynMan,
@BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml avatar

oh, don’t get me wrong, I’m not simping for MSNBC-- nor any corporate news conglomerate. I was just commenting on Fox News’s fall from… well, whatever it was. the top.

LibertyLizard,
@LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net avatar

Yes, I feel the same. So while I do enjoy watching their decline I’m not sure this represents an improvement in the media ecosystem as a whole. I suspect a lot of former Fox News viewers have now been sucked into far right or even fascist media sources.

meisterlix,

Which makes India's case sound more like Hungary or turkey don't you think? More or less complete control of the media while still having "fair" elections.

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