umbraroze,
@umbraroze@kbin.social avatar

There was some commercial for the Commodore 64 which basically lambasted the IBM PC for being twice as expensive while having the the same 64K memory.

I was, like, "yeah, but nobody ever bought the 64K model of IBM PC. That would have been just ridiculously limited, right? Right? Everyone got memory expansions, surely?"

Well, 64K was the stock configuration, so I'm sure those memory expansions sold like hotcakes. There was even the option for freaking 16K memory. (Now, I'm sure next to nobody bought that.) Even option to getting no floppy drives, because you could always put your glorious BASIC programs on a cassette tape. Like a caveman. (This also sounds like a rare option.)

cthonctic,
@cthonctic@kbin.social avatar

@umbraroze C64 caveman with datasette drive reporting in o7

@TrivialBetaState

BrownianMotion,
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

The IBM was Expandable to 640k, which Bill famously said “would be enough for anyone”!!

limelight79,

We had a PCjr. Default was 64k, but we got the 64k sidecar add on for a whopping 128 kb of RAM. We also got a Hayes Smartmodem 1200 with the aluminum case and red LEDs that I still have, because it’s amazing even though it’s useless. Dad would use it to connect to Compuserv.

We never had the Chiclet keyboard, though - I think they were on to regular keyboards by the time we bought ours.

HakFoo,

Don’t get the Sanyo. It’s a weird “sorta DOS compatible” machine you’ll have a hard time with software and support for.

The Apricot was also exotic, but seemed to have more of an ecosystem.

Okalaydokalay,

Apple is the second cheapest option. Damn, times have changed, for sure.

thbb,

It says it has a "high res monitor". For having learned to program graphics on this machine, we had to count the pixels to be able to fit our drawings in the screen: 512x342, that's not a lot of screen real estate. The 640x480 PC screen was a luxury.

GigglyBobble,

And today that's an icon.

Fermiverse,

And to add it was the most advanced device compared to the others. Full mouse support, graphical interface, WYSIWYG , it was a true gamechanger.

Had a used one myself and soldered RAM chips on the MB to make it a fat Mac with 4MB RAM . Boot disk system was copied to a RAM disk after boot. Good times

FReddit,

Around 1983 I got a Morrow Microdecision with two floppies.

No hard drive or mouse. It did come with COBOL.

It failed after 23 lines of text entry. Turned out the CPU was defective.

People kept asking me, “Dude, what do you need a computer for?”

Hamartiogonic,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Serious question: What did you use that computer for? So, did you just learn to write cobol and make your own programs?

supercheesecake,
@supercheesecake@aussie.zone avatar

I don’t know about the OP, but our first computer was a TRS-80 clone with a tape drive, 16k ram, and stunning 64x16 B&W graphics. Every month dad would drive us to computer club, we’d copy as many games as we could (onto tape), then spend the rest of the month trying to get them to work. Rinse and repeat. It was awesome.

Also typed in basic games from the computer mags which needed lots of debugging. How I learnt to program (before being taught Pascal in high school).

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Typing in the games could be both fun and highly frustrating. I had an Apple II and if you fucked up on a line, you probably weren’t going to be able to find it and fix it. There was no debugger and typing LIST would show you the whole thing and you couldn’t scroll up. So if you did it right, it was great. If you messed up somewhere, good luck.

Malfeasant,

I don’t remember much on the apple, but in commodore basic you could do LIST 50-80 for example, I’m willing to bet the apple could too…

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You probably could and I just never knew it.

FReddit,

I just used it for writing papers in college.

I had no idea how to use COBOL.

Hamartiogonic,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Ok, so it was more like a digital typewriter to you.

FReddit,

I do have a funny story about the place I got it in San Francisco, of you care to hear it.

Hamartiogonic,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Absolutely! Please do continue.

Jacksachatter,

So what’s the story man? Come on, some of us are invested already.

gunpachi,
@gunpachi@lemmings.world avatar

It’s crazy how Computers have changed over the years !

I guess people who have used PC’s from the old era would be able to appreciate the current Computers in a completely different level.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

A computer with a spreadsheet was a HUGE game changer.

In '85 most companies did books by hand and adding machine. Records were kept in ledgers and in filing cabinets. People used to hire CPA’s to come in and do the balancing even in small convenience stores. Given labor wasn’t what it is now, but a machine like that could pay for itself pretty quickly.

I worked a fast food job in the 90’s They had an ancient box running 1-2-3. Every night, the MOD would have to sit down with a paper sheet and an adding machine to generate this table, then enter all the transformed data into Lotus. They literally sat back there for hours working over the data. I asked, why don’t you just change the sheet to do all the calculations? Can’t, the franchise owner wants it all done by hand. They were literally taking a row of numbers, doing some math on it, then doing more math on each column to come up with a final row of like 7 numbers.

I had them show me what they were doing and wrote a program on my TI calculator to generate the table from the input numbers. Told them if they wanted the program just to get the same calculator and I’d transfer it over.

tony,

Nobody trusted computers… they were ‘new’. It wasn’t entirely unheard of for people to verify the output of a computer by hand, or as in your case, doing it by hand intentionally.

kemal007,

When I remember back to the early 80s, me a single digit aged human with my first Commodore 64 and a cassette tape drive, to being a high school aged kid and helping my buddies install their extended memory set chip by chip to get them to 1mb of ram, to way in the future where I type this comment on a mobile phone touch screen capable of unfathomable high resolution graphics and speed is still a surreal feeling.

I grew up and grew old with computers and it’s wild to imagine a life without and a world without them nearly 50 years later.

Loulou,

The old computers from my childhood still boots faster than any modern OS 😎

MrsDoyle,

Never mind computers (my first one, in I think 1985, had two floppy drives and an amber screen, very fancy), it’s phones that blow my mind. I grew up with a heavy black bakelite dial phone that lived on a special bench in the hall, and now I do video calls with my family on the other side of the world from wherever I happen to be. Toll calls used to be a huge deal, you had to call the operator, we didn’t even have direct dialling. I watch TV on my phone, not even Star Trek had that!

Hovenko,
@Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Those are antiques now so the might cost a lot as well

espentan,

Two years later you could get an Amiga 500, with 512KB for £499. They were such a deal when they arrived. I bought a 20MB hard drive, an extra 512KB of RAM, a second floppy drive and a monitor. If I recall correctly that set me back around £1400.

webghost0101,

Interestingly mac is the only one with a mouse.

Oisteink,

Not very surprising considering their inspiration from xerox parc. I bought a mouse in 86 for my dads pc - a 3 button Genius. On PC mouse would not take off until windows was launched - gui was not needed for real business use according to IBM

anlumo,

That mouse was so uncomfortable. It was built like a box, probably designed for a robot hand.

Oisteink,

Yep - but it was the only one available in my area of Norway at the time (I got mine for under 500 NOK because the supplier did wrong. As I was just a kid he let it slide and I got to keep it. There was some painting software supplied as well. That guy went on to be one of Norways biggest producers of pc’s - REC computers

Hamartiogonic,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Apple was a very different company back then. If they had followed the philosophy they have today, Apple would have been the last company to to introduce a mouse. The idea is that if a new feature becoms industry standard, they won’t apply it until like 5 years later, but make it somehow better than anyone else.

In this context, it would have probably meant not including a keyboard or display at this point. They could have skipped the black+green stage and go straight for color displays while increasing the resolution, size and refresh rate or something.

squaresinger,

Waiting 5 years wasn’t really an option back in those days. PCs moved so fast that if you waited 5 years you’d be missing whole use cases.

Now if you wait 5 years, there’s hardly a difference.

BrownianMotion,
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

So everything is about right. Today you can buy a budget pc, and skim on performance, but back then (and I was there man!) you could not.

In 1985 HDD were only starting to gain traction for PC’s and that was about the only thing you could spec up. That IBM pc is “High Res” which probably means it was VGA multicolour (yay!lol) with 640x480 resolution. So you were basically buying top of the line.

Today, if you were to build a top of the line PC, RTX4090, latest best intel cpu, PSU, etc, etc it would be easy to spend $5K!

But damn, the difference in performance from back then to now!! (That IBM is an XT which means it was a 4.77Mhz with 8086 cpu. Just looking at that picture, I can feel the weight of the bloody thing)

nottheengineer,

Adjusted for inflation, I’m pretty sure that today’s PCs are still cheaper than this.

Oisteink,

I was there too but vga was not. My dad got an IBM XT fully specd as a home computer (he was CFO of Emma EDB). I believe the hires could be EGA or probably Hercules as they don’t brag about colours - but his had CGA. The full spec of my dads pc - that changed my life - was: 2x256kb ram on full length isa cards. 10mb hdd, 360kb floppy. 9pin printer and cga. Total cost back then in Norwegian KR was 120000.

Oisteink,

After checking with my dad the price was half of what I stated. He got one for home and one for office - the business he was with was providing IBM mainframes, and wanted to check out the PC. My dad got them because of Lotus 1-2-3 - spreadsheets was the shit in accounting/ finance already

BrownianMotion,
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

Might be right, could have been ega. It was a long time ago and the mind is wobbly.

Num10ck,

yea 8086 couldn’t drive a vga. 16 preset ugly colors if you’re lucky. unless you had a magical amiga with dedicated graphics chips to do 256 colors, 4096 if you’re nasty.

Loulou,

Oh those raster hacks and stuff…

captain_samuel_brady,

Sir, I’ll have you know that I had an IBM PS/2 Model 25 with 256 glorious colors in MCGA. And fuck every developer that didn’t support MCGA, because it dropped down to 4 color CGA if not. No support for EGA.

Num10ck,

and i’m sure you learned your valuable lesson :)

captain_samuel_brady,

Almost certainly not as my next PC was a Gateway 2000.

squaresinger,

Also, these PCs back then were heavy (=>much more resource intensive), handbuilt and low-volume. All things that add a lot to the price.

Loulou, (edited )

I don’t know about resource intensive, today you need a frigging powerplant to feed a decent PC. At least the 286 and onwards didn’t consume that much right?

Edit: It was not about running costs but the resources to Build them, and that’s true for sure! Sorry!

astropenguin5,

I think they mean resource intensive as in it literally took more physical material to build them, which costs more.

Loulou,

Ah okay, that’s totally true.

squaresinger,

Resource intensive to make. If you have a PC that consists of 20kg steel and other materials, that’s gonna add to the price.

Loulou,

True true!

Ferris,
@Ferris@discuss.online avatar

eh. Money is worth a third of what it was worth.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

Today you can buy a budget pc, and skim on performance, but back then (and I was there man!) you could not.

For PCs? Maybe not, but you could get plenty of other types of home computer for reasonably cheap. A Commodore 64 was $150 in 1985, for instance. Just had to stay away from the absolute bleeding edge.

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