Anduin1357,
@Anduin1357@lemmy.world avatar

The conclusion is brain dead. Can anyone even confirm that SpaceX is losing more satellites than they’re launching?

SmashingSquid,

This person has posted this multiple times. They keep getting banned then making a new account. They’re trying to drive traffic to their crappy website. So highly doubtful it’s true.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

The eventual "end state" for Starlink is to be in an equilibrium state where new satellites are constantly being launched to replace the ones that age out and fail. I have no idea what OP is on about with "not being able to keep up", though, the constellation is nowhere near that state yet.

Nighed,
@Nighed@sffa.community avatar

I think the current problem is that as the gen 2 satellites are bigger and heavier they can’t launch as many.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

That's what Starship's going to be for.

Nighed,
@Nighed@sffa.community avatar

Yes, but that probably doesn’t help in the next few years. (Expecting a few more fireballs)

They may need to seriously up the Falcon9 launch cadence or switch back to gen 1 sats. (Unless the better capabilities of the gen 2 sats mean they need less up there - I thought that the number was more due to low coverage due to altitude though)

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

They've already got prototype Starship upper stages built that have the cargo door necessary for launching Starlink satellites from, I think "a few years" is likely a very pessimistic timeframe at this point. If they're not launching Starlink satellites with Starship at some point next year I will be very surprised.

Nighed,
@Nighed@sffa.community avatar

The problem is that due to the scale of the rocket/explosions the regulators are being more picky - their test rate is much reduced. If their not allowed to launch again for months after the last failure then it could easily take that long.

luthis,

Starlink needs to fail ASAP for the good of humanity.

I_Miss_Daniel,
@I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social avatar

Why? While it's an energy intensive process to launch all these satellites, it's probably a lot less than the environmental cost of running a fibre connection to every customer who uses this service. Sure Musk is a bit dodgy, but he's not the majority owner of Starlink.

luthis,

Kessler syndrome, explained at 18 minutes in:

odysee.com/…/debunking-starlink:8?

But I recommend watching the whole thing because it shows just how absurd Starlink is.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

The low orbital altitude of Starlink satellites prevents them from being a Kessler concern, when they don't do active station keeping they fall out of orbit in a matter of a few years.

If you really think Starlink is "absurd" then just ignore it, it needs to be economically viable for SpaceX to keep launching them so if it turns out not to be it'll be a self-correcting problem.

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

Karma sure is a bitch.

Illecors,

Why is this good news, exactly?

echo64,

It depends on if you are okay with the night sky being flooded with space junk that makes doing astronomy harder or not

Jtee,
@Jtee@lemmy.world avatar

Or if you like hearing news about Muskrat eating shit

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar
NeoNachtwaechter,

That’s a rule for life: Always start with doing the very worst shit that is thinkable at all.

Then improve gradually, but make sure that you talk about it every time. Every little bit of improvement is good news.

From the very worst shit to second worst shit…

From the second worst shit to third worst shit…

From the third worst shit …

From the fourth worst…

Nighed,
@Nighed@sffa.community avatar

It’s only junk if they are useless, which the functional satellites are definitely not.

I think the dead ones come down pretty quick, can’t remember what the exact timing is from their full orbit though. (It’s weeks from their launch orbit)

luthis,

Just to tack on a little more seriously fucking important point to the space junk thing… When a certain level is reached, we will be trapped on this planet, because the space junk flying around at 5000km/s will destroy anything trying to leave.

Pons_Aelius,

The Space junk thing is very serious but Starlink is not a problem in that regard.

The are such a low orbit they will de-orbit due to atmospheric drag with no input or de-orbit burn required.

That is what this story is about...

It is all the other sats from MEO to GEO that are the problem.

luthis,

It still takes 5 years and with the amount of satellites Musk wants to put into LEO, there’s a lot of chances for dead satellites to get turned into thousands of tiny bullets which will take out even more satellites and it turns into a runaway catastrophe.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

The more finely sub-divided a satellite becomes the more rapidly atmospheric drag causes its orbit to decay.

Also, there's basically only Starlink satellites at the altitude these are being placed in, and nothing in lower altitudes. So a brief burst of orbital debris would only inconvenience Starlink itself.

FaceDeer,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

You misunderstand Kessler syndrome. It doesn't "trap us on this planet", all it does is make certain orbital regions no longer hospitable to satellites orbiting within those regions. Launching through those orbits would be fine, the payload passing through them wouldn't spend long enough in there to be at significant risk of impact. You only get an unacceptable risk of impact if you remain there for years.

Also, Starlink satellites are at a low enough altitude that if they were to be disrupted the bits would fall out of orbit in a matter of months. That region is basically Kessler-proof.

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