It’s considered a very lgbtq+ friendly community, and it announced closing entirely in the wake of the Reddit blackout, so a lot of its members have come here to Lemmy.
It’s the posters stating that they’re posting to obey the rule of those communities. Something along the lines of having to post an image from your device if you end up browsing there.
I thought it was also in reference to a previous subreddit that I think was named 195, that had no rules but ended up being bigoted and such. So when 196 was made, a much more progressive/leftwing version, all they technically post are rules (hence the post titles) to further clown on that previous sub
Beehaw is meant to be a safe space, mitigating toxicity, while other instances, by having registration open to all without moderation, causes that.
By being federated, they can interact with one another. Beehaw defederated them in order to avoid that. The main argument being that the modding tools right now aren’t good enough to help them do it any other way.
That’s a bummer. I really liked Beehaw but wasn’t able to sign up for whatever reason, which is why I signed up here. Sucks that hateful jerks can ruin it for everyone.
lemmy.world has had a handful of back to back queerphobic trolls spamming hate across multiple groups and instances.
They would get banned and come right back.
The reason they were able to do that is because of the open signups on lemmy.world.
Beehaw is an instance that takes protecting their members as their highest goal. They value it significantly more than wide federation.
And so they blocked lemmy.world, as it was a source of bigotry towards their members, and there were no other moderation tools available to them to resolve the issue.
And these sorts of defederations may also serve as a "hey, do something about this" smack to the defederated instances. Provided that lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works don't actually want to have trolls like that among their users they could implement mechanisms to make it harder for them to sign up.
If someone wants to deliberately run a 4chan-like free-for-all instance, that's fine, but I expect nobody's going to want to federate with it.
The short version is that beehaw was struggling with the (currently) limited toolset available to moderate user content, and they saw a heap of users posting things they don’t allow on their instance were coming from the two other big instances, so it was more effective for them to defederate to try and stem the tide.
I imagine regeneration will occur in future when the lemmyverse stabilises a little, and when better mod tools are available
All of these services are very new. Exactly what people want out of them — including what the people operating instances want out of them — is still being worked out.
This is not a commercial production service that you have a contract with. It’s an experimental system run by volunteers who don’t all have the same ideas in mind. People aren’t just working out the kinks — the process of discovering what this is all really for is still ongoing.
To clarify a minor point, beehaw isn’t new. It was established in Feb 2022, and it’s been thriving with a relatively small community up until this months crazy growth. They’re not so much finding their feet as trying to maintain an existing communities safety in the face of rapid growth.
Not at all. They’ve been one of the largest instances on lemmy for over a year, and they federated widely during that time. The issue is that lemmy is still a relatively immature platform in terms of moderation features. The workload on their moderators to sustain federation and community safety with rudimentary moderation tools whilst the threadiverse population increases in size over 1000 fold is incredibly high.
So until moderation tools improve, their options are
Give up their safety focus. We can assume that’s not going to happen
Find more admins, which is easier said than done, because at this point in time, one of the lacking moderation features is the ability to add instance moderators. Right now, the only instance elevated role is admin. You have to be able to trust the new admin with the keys to everything.
Defederate with instances that threaten their high value on community safety
My point is, there wasn’t really all that much content on other instances that would have posed a problem from a federation perspective before Lemmy blew up due to the reddit stuff. They largely were used to being in their own bubble with limited outside influence due to the obscurity of the Lemmy platform broadly.
I respect their desire to form the community how they see fit. That’s the beauty of the fediverse after all. I think it’ll be confusing for new users though who aren’t used to federation, both from those outside the instance and those who only created an account there because it hosted several large communities without really thinking about the implications of what the admins desire for their instance.
The answer is to create communities that mirror their biggest on more general purpose instances. A lot of contributors to Beehaw’s communities who weren’t on their instance probably feel a little miffed that they were helping pump content onto the Lemmy platform broadly, and now they’ve been defederated. Kinda sucks, but a good lesson for choosing your instance and the instance of communities you choose to contribute content to and help build, I guess.
Everything you’ve said here though is very different to your previous comment about them not understanding federation.
This reply is closer to the truth. They understand it quite fine, but have different priorities, and those priorities probably weren’t clear to a lot of their new members
It's the other way around: new people and instances are learning that federation also means that other servers don't want to federate with you, and that that's okay. This is different from the usual 'freeze peach' stuff, this is just communities saying 'we don't want to hear you'.
beehaw.org blocked lemmy.world. which works like you'd expect blocking someone would work. they can't interact with each other, can't participate in each other's communities, etc.
lemmy.world still "has" content from beehaw before the block happened. you can still see it and interact with it, but anything you do on beehaw communities that you have copies of won't get synced to beehaw, and thus can't be seen by anyone else on the fediverse.
you shouldn't be getting new posts from beehaw at all, other than comments inside of non-beehaw communities (such as in a kbin magazine where a beehaw user comments).
That’s because it’s a punk music site. I can’t say what type of people they are because I don’t fit their server (into specific punk types, from UK, Australia or NZ, among others), so I’m not even gonna try to join. For the most part, punk skinheads are alright. I’ve know quite a few in my life and they weren’t racist a bit. Not to say there aren’t racist skinheads, but from my experience the majority are not racist and anti-fascist. I’ve even been to a couple of punk shows and the crowd was wild but there weren’t any assholes as I saw, but again, that’s only my experience.
Thanks for the info. I was just scrolling through all the server names and that caught my eye. I was also amazed at the sheer number of servers listed. Some of these federated servers must have only a handful of users (if not just 1).
As for the servers, there are quite a few that are personal servers for themselves, friends and/or family, or specific hobbies. It’s one of my favorite things about the fediverse. Anyone can create an instance for whatever they choose. It’s great.
I wouldn’t call them irrelevant, but after they de-federated from the two other biggest mainstream general instances, they are (for now) irrelevant to a huge number of Lemmy users. So even if you can post there, a huge number of users can’t reply
If you want to see Lemmy as one large network, Beehaw have broken them selves off from a large part of that network. Of course Lemmy isn’t really just one big network, but also many small networks, like extremist instances that are already de-federated from mainstream instances.
Beehaw has explicitly set out to create a safe space for their users. This is not necessarily compatible with a more wild-west approach of open signups. Their 4 admins/moderator were simply swamped by bad actors from sh.itjust.works and Lemmy.world, so for now they de-federated pending better moderation tools
Of course it’s well within their right to do so, but as an outsider I’m now much more wary of building anything in their walled garden, in case they decide to close it off further
Magazines (kbin) and Communities (Lemmy) are the naming conventions for the group type of posts offered - like subreddits. Magazines and Communities are effectively the same thing, just different naming conventions from their different backbone software running on the instance.
Instances are the full server in which the communities and users are held. Like sh.itjust.works is an instance - it’s the page where you can log into in order to then interact with anything both housed within your instance as well as the greater fediverse (barring any defederated instances, as you mentioned).
Magazines is just what they call communities/subreddits on kbin. Instances is the server/site those communities/magazines are made in
As for beehaw… just stay away from communities made there for now regardless of your instance, because you won’t be able to interact with a major portion of users in those communities (those of us from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works)
They paid Dylan Mulvaney (a trans woman) for a sponsored instagram post and sent her a beer can with her face on it. Conservatives got mad because they are giant bigoted babies. That’s it.
I saw the pic and i guess i hoped there was more of a story. Conservatives seem to boycott stuff on a whim after an ad… I remember when my old boss stopped buying diet coke after a super bowl commercial (2017) because they supported “illegal immigration”. i looked it up afterward and it was a bunch of people singing “america the beautiful” in different languages.
Yeah, that’s exactly what happened. A lot of hateful people liked Bud Light so when their favorite beer profused inclusivity, they started hating the beer too. I live in the Bible/light beer belt and Bud Light was the top choice of drink for lots of people. Now they hate it.
As for why the reaction has been so strong, LGBTQ+ rights have been a huge topic for conservatives lately. The greater acceptance of people in these groups has been used by conservative politicians and “news” organizations to stir up fear so they could get more votes/views. So when a company started marketing the acceptance that aligned with their campaigns/stories, they could say “see, we told everyone they were coming for you.”
lemmy.world is still on their blocked instances list, so you might be seeing data pre-defederation. The problem is that it seems you can interact with it but our instance will never be able to relay the content to beehaw (because we are blocked), so it’s like talking to a wall.
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