Would darknet market discussion be allowed on Lemmy?

Hey guys,

Years and years ago, Reddit had a sub where you could discuss darknet markets. For those uninitiated, a darknet market is a Tor hidden service where you can buy contraband with cryptocurrency.

Unfortunately, several years ago, Reddit shut down this sub because it “violated new rules about the sale of illegal goods” and most of that discussion has moved elsewhere. But with the rules being looser on the fediverse, would anyone be interested in setting up a forum for such discussion here? Would the admins here even allow it?

I’m really excited about how Lemmy can bring back certain communities disallowed by Reddit.

tr00st,

The most interesting part of this personally is the murky nature of “hosting” in the fediverse. This sort of thing could happen, bit I think it’s likely to lead to defederation. Content is easily argued as being “hosted” on any instance where that content ends up getting viewed. As such, anything of dubious legality is a surefire way to have site admins refuse to associate with you.

RecursiveParadox,
@RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world avatar

I agree this would not be a good look for young Lemmy but…

…not all dark websites and not all dark markets are for illegal or immoral things. I’m on a darknet discussion board because the people on it want to be able to speak freely among friends since some of them are public figures or in positions where they should watch what they say in public. No crazy right wing stuff (we are all big soft lefties).

More importantly, some people rely on, or may find themselves seeking out, dark markets to get medications they legit need but for whatever reason cannot legally or easily get.

SexualMastadon,

This makes me wonder: how could governments police the Fediverse? With Reddit they could just threaten the company, but what are they going to do with Lemmy? Threaten whoever hosts the instance?

I’m guessing that’s why people are recommending finding an instance that isn’t USA based.

rimlogger,

Yeah, they will send subpoenas to the instance owner.

daniskarma,

Basically. Instance administrator is responsible for what they host, and they must follow the law of were it’s host (and maybe the countries of their users, if they are European for instance).

If you are hosting something too illegal and draw attention they may block your IP, fine you or even raid the server location.

Cevilia,
@Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Technically yes. Due to the way Lemmy works, there are no Lemmy-wide terms of service.

HOWEVER

You would need to find an instance whose admins are willing to host that discussion. Otherwise you’d find yourself banned fairly swiftly as J. Random Admin wouldn’t want to touch it with a barge pole. You would also find that instance eventually gets defederated.

nothacking,

Check the rules of your istance, or host your own. Nothing is banned lemmy wide, although if things get bad enough, other instances will defederate you, preventing your instances posts from showing up in feeds. (this already happened to a lot of nazi filled instances) TLDR: if you can find or host an instance that is ok with it, yes. However others have no obligation to participate

DestroyerOfWorlds,
@DestroyerOfWorlds@lemmy.world avatar

Strt?!

PastaTrees,
@PastaTrees@lemmy.world avatar

Fuckin skids…

KreekyBonez,

buncha degens

WarPony,

What a capital idea!

SilentStorms,
@SilentStorms@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

Probably not a good idea, unless you could somehow set up an onion instance. Dread is already a thing for that anyway.

rimlogger,

True, Dread is already a thing but it’s hard for normies to reach. /r/darknetmarkets used to be that bridge for newbies to configure Tor and get onto the darknet.

SilentStorms,
@SilentStorms@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

Maybe a community around how to get set up with tor, and basics of opsec and that sort of thing would be ok. I think talkinging about markets themselves and the products you get there is playing with fire, set them up to get to Dread, and have them take it from there.

Rhoeri,
@Rhoeri@lemmy.world avatar

Please don’t bring that shit here.

DrQuint, (edited )
@DrQuint@lemmy.ml avatar

So, personally, I don’t want to be even close to that stuff, because I’ve seen the damages the undernet can do.

But, far from me to be the voice of censorship. I haven’t pirated a single game or book in years, and yet, I actively follow scene news, and talked with others about stuff like Z-Library, clearly on the side in favor of the pirates.

So, exercising what empathy I think appropriate, I think the very last thing you want to do is ask for permission. Because others might not give it to you, no matter the legality of your intents. Specially if you openly say it revolves “contraband”.

Go find an instance specifically made for people who do want to talk that stuff, and others will defederate from you when they notice it. The dream of a single platform that allows it like Reddit used to is gone, but multi-accounting is a thing. You shouldn’t even be making this thread, you will just give the issue attention and spread the word to your peers that Lemmy isn’t an option. Attention was how the gore and violent porn and the loli lemmies got so swiftly removed, which is a stark contrast to how reddit operated (something something spez and jailbait). But they’re still there (probably). Just not searchable from here or lemmynsfw.

Willer,

ive seen the damages the undernet can do.

Reminds me i gotta get new swimming trunks before vacation

Willer,

Just tell me what automatic do you want ill hook you up

solrize,

GM Turbo-Hydramatic 400 please. Man those things were indestructable. Sadly the dark net is the only place you can find them now.

cyanarchy,

Aren’t those the ones that have one gearing and just jump the RPMs up by rotating the vanes or something? All torque converter and no gearbox? Sorry if I’m way off base, I possess only approximate knowledge of many things.

Willer,

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000193999285-msx28j-t500x500.jpg

Very well that will be 1 billion

Jackolantern,

I hope not

BrikoX,
@BrikoX@vlemmy.net avatar

It really depends on the instance and their own rules. Some might allow it, while others wouldn’t. It would definetely need to be aggressively moderated to avoid promoting any illegal sales, etc.

Only admins of the various instances can really clarify this.

assembly,

I think the purpose of the dark net markets is specifically to enable illegal purchases

BrikoX,
@BrikoX@vlemmy.net avatar

Talking about and actively promoting it are 2 different things. Also not everything sold there is illegal.

pancakes,
@pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think it could be considered promoting if people are actively linking and sharing. Not to say it shouldn’t be created, but that’s probably grounds for a lot of instances to defederating (whether that’s a good or bad thing).

assembly,

I wonder if an instance can be created with an onion address and federated. It wouldn’t have to be JUST dark net market stuff but could also be anyone super privacy focused.

assembly,

I wonder if an instance can be created with an onion address and federated. It wouldn’t have to be JUST dark net market stuff but could also be anyone super privacy focused. I’m thinking either all Lemmy and kbin instances would need a local tor router or it would need a frontend proxy address.

peter,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

I don’t think lemmy is supposed to be a home for illegal things but I imagine an individual instance can do whatever they want

rimlogger,

Well, it’s not illegal to talk about buying drugs online, right? I think the legal implications are much smaller than people think, especially with Lemmy still being pretty niche. But I’ll probably try hosting on a smaller instance and see how it goes.

muddybulldog,

Lemmy may be niche but it’s extremely easy to monitor. There’s a fine line between discussion and facilitation. It’s all a matter of how risk adverse you are.

drzoidberg,
@drzoidberg@lemmy.world avatar

I was promised the fediverse was a lawless place where we could discuss whatever we wanted. What I’m now hearing is that I’ll need to find somewhere else to discuss my plans for genetically engineered mice, one with a 9th level genius, and the other somewhat insane?

This is bullshit and I demand a refund!

Willer,

Number one mistake when doing shit: asking NPCs for approval.

svh01973,

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

AlternActive,

Discussion on a topic is not illegal imo. If anything it’s actuallly good, as if you’re gonna do something anyway, it’s best to have information on it.

Abstinence or lack of sex-ed doesn’t solve anything. The war on drugs solved nothing. Information saves lifes.

luthis,

You’ll have to check instances for rules and see if one already exists on lemmyverse.net (I wasn’t able to find one with tor, dark, darkweb, so maybe you’ll need to create the community.)

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