lemmy.world doesn't seem to have many established NSFW communities; they appear to be in separate instances. Is there any benefit to this or anything stopping lemmy.world from having NSFW communities?

This may be more of an “out of the loop” thing, but I’m new to this site and I’m noticing that lemmy.world seems surprisingly bereft of any substantial NSFW content. I’m surprised! Isn’t the adage that porn motivates technological progress?

What’s even more surprising is that the NSFW instance seems brand spanking new.

Is there some code-of-conduct thing which has prevented NSFW community growth? Or is it just a demographic thing where there wasn’t much/any demand until the Reddit exodus?

tRFRmrNe8Nj2Kimc,

I’m having the opposite experience. I filter by “all” and I am flooded with NSFW content. Been blocking individual communities, but I don’t know if I can just block the lemmynsfw instance(I’m using Jerboa).

const_void,

Meh I’m fine with how it is now. I don’t need porn mixed in with my tech nerd news and discussions.

skierra,

It’s better to separate nsfw into their own instances, because then admins who don’t want porn on their Lemmy servers can just block the offending instance.

Also, try pornlemmy.com .

popemichael,
@popemichael@lemmy.world avatar

Its already an open problem on Discord, too. It may just be a matter of time

I belonged to several subs that made an effort to find and report them and the grooming diddlers

We need to find a place like that in the 'verse

popemichael,
@popemichael@lemmy.world avatar

I’m wondering what’s stopping folks from setting up CP and JB instances

Even reddit and Twitter have problems with that

dustyData,

Spinning up an instance is akin to setting a web server. There’s a lot of personal information that gets tied to ownership of both domain and the hardware itself. This data is publicly known for those who know where to look at. Without the typical layers of privacy that shield anonymous users in big corporate services. Mostly due do payment information, whether you rent hardware or selfhost using some DNS registry rental from an IP provider. You’re out in the open hosting CSAM. You’d have local security forces in your home within the week in most developed and developing world countries.

On top of that, your instance would be immediately defederated by all other instances. So you’d be the only one on the hook for that crime.

Artranjunk,

lemmynsfw.com

foxrumor,

This is the way.

Landmammals,

All the posts I see on that site are of fully clothed women.

Edit: I wasn’t logged in

Cevilia,
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One of the benefits of the fediverse is that there is no over-arching code of conduct, precisely because there’s no way to enforce it. Each instance’s owner decides on what they are willing - and not willing - to host on their own instance. Other instances can “defederate” from yours if they don’t like what’s hosted there, which means the two instances will stop talking to each other, as beehaw did with lemmy.world. But there is no way to globally ban an instance off the face of the internet.

RightHandOfIkaros,

I think this is beneficial because it lowers the traffic of the instance. Especially with how many users World has, adding all the traffic generated from NSFW communities would only compound any problem in the instance processing requests slowly.

aski3252,

Before last month, lemmy was very very small and comparatively inactive. Lemmy admins are hobbyists who run the server in their spare time, most did/do not want to deal with pornographic content on their server as with it come a lot of potental moderational and legal challanges.

Rhoeri,
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It would be nice if all NSFW was annexed to their own instance and left out of generally populated ones. There’s no need for it to be side-by-side with generalized content.

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Funny thing is that AI tech is turning NSFW into one of the best starting points and introductions to the subject. I’m all for separating it, but the separation turns out to have its own complexities. After messing with some of the tools, a large chunk of NSFW is from Stable Diffusion. There are certain aspects that are hard to generate and only really apparent with some practice writing prompts. It is far easier to quantify the types of issues that arise from bad prompts using a human body where we are much better equip to detect very subtle mistakes at a glace once we know where to look. It is an easy path into using SD for other endeavors. Admittedly, it ruins a bit of the primal appeal, and totally flips the subject where you’re then browsing looking for clever prompting. Funny thing is, the like count often correlates with prompt cleverness rather than output. It is the primary driver of engagement.

Rhoeri,
@Rhoeri@lemmy.world avatar

No idea what you’re talking about. It’s just picture of naked people. It needs to be in its own place.

moog,

i agree, that comment reads like a fever dream. i have no idea what theyre talking about at all.

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_Diffusion

This has the most basic guide to what is happening if you wish to crawl out from under that rock. It includes a built in SFW text to image prompt:

stable-diffusion-art.com/beginners-guide/

All one has to do is look at the NSFW images marked as being from AI and note the watermark to find where to generate images. Once you make a few, you’ll see small problems that are present in many other image categories. The main issues have to do with excluding certain prompt key words to make the output look real, then stuff like genitalia is not easy to get dialed in well unless you are running the software on your own hardware. This requires a powerful video card to generate the images and a lot of storage space. Once you know this a lot of images become obviously AI generated. There are aspects of lighting, eyes, fingers and toes, easy lighting text prompts and other small details that are harder to avoid in the image output. These start to stand out more once you know.

This tech is moving very fast right now. The next iteration of Stable Diffusion is set to release this month and it will likely make it impossible to tell what is real and what is fake. Right now SD must start with a low res image, then it can be scaled higher. SDXL will be able to start with a high res image and modify details which has not been possible. With a bit of effort, it will be possible to modify video frame by frame and use a simple text prompt to alter details. I doubt people will do more than clips at first, but with some good scripting using Blender, I could see it working for larger projects.

Follow the second posted link. And read it. This is FOSS. Combine this with an open source text to text LLVM running on native hardware and you have a real game changing set of technology.

generativeai.pub/how-to-setup-and-run-privategpt-…

DevonCode,

They are talking about NSFW images in the fediverse. How does that correlate with AI-generated NSFW images?

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Originally, I mentioned how their is more complexity in the NSFW AI space than just the imagery, and that it is actually an interesting tool and introduction to the text to image AI. The mods and users in that space are more positive and supportive than average too.

My main interest in text2img/Stable Diffusion is as a product design tool in Blender. I was hesitant to upgrade a workstation to try out SD, but the NSFW stuff was novel enough give it a try using an internet hosted AI instance. Previously, I tried publicly hosted AI text prompts for product design images, but I didn’t think I would be able to make it work for me. Now I have a much better understanding of the tool and how it works. I don’t regularly visit NSFW stuff, but an article on Stable Diffusion mentioned how it is easier to learn by starting with generating images of humans because we have an innate ability to identify subtle detail in faces and bodies. And hey, if I’m going to try, why not be a connoisseur.

Like I said, I’m all for keeping NSFW separate. It is just worth mentioning that the prudish stigma attached to anything related to human sexuality, and writing it off as as useless vice is not very intelligent. There is a crossover with useful utility found within this space. I didn’t expect to discover this myself based on my prior assumptions and cultural stigma. I wanted to make mention that this exists if others are interested and looking deeper into the NSFW subject/coexistence situation on Lemmy via this post.

moog,

“crawl out from under that rock” ya nah im good ill stay right here

WookieMunster,

Clean up on aisle 5, someone threw up a thesaurus over here

csolisr,

From what I gather, the existence of a dedicated NSFW-friendly instance has made most such posters gravitate towards that particular place, as they may or may not be banned or defederated from other instances if they set shop in another server.

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