As for now, upvotes, downvotes and boosts are public on kbin

On every thread or post, if you click on more and activity, you'll get the info.

I personally find this to be a good things, I've seen people using downvote way too easily. I like the idea that we need to be somehow accountable for those mechanism.

edit: It could be somehow improved to have an option to let this info only available between concerned users.

edit edit: I think that up/downvote info shouldn't be public, but kept private between the users involved. we need to address this privacy issue.

admiralteal,

Its fediverse. The only way to verify upvotes and downvotes and limit them to 1 per user is for there to be a record. The only way to avoid that situation is to not Federate upvotes/downvotes.

Being concerned about boosts is literally a misunderstanding of what a boost is. The purpose of a boost is to mimic retweet functionality. It's to share that same thing with all of your followers. It would serve no purpose if it weren't public.

One platform can hide them, but others would still be able to see them so someone with bad intentions could still just look it up somewhere else

Mounticat,
@Mounticat@kbin.social avatar

Ah, yeah. That makes me want the ability to undo a boost or have a confirmation for boosts even more.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

you can undo a boost by clicking on it a seconde time, no? and you'll have a confirmation with the term boost being underscored

mykl,

Oof. It feels like every new social media platform insists on replicating the mistakes of their predecessors. You'd think by now there would be an established body of design patterns for social media. This looks like it might be relevant, even though it's quite old now.

edit: it's also interesting that only downvotes count for "reputation points", so anyone who raises their heads above the parapet in a contentious thread is at risk of instantly having a negative reputation [edit 2: QED]. I have no idea what effect that will have though...

zeste,
@zeste@kbin.social avatar

I read on here somewhere a day ago that boosts count positively to your reputation.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

the reputation point mechanism is broken right now. https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/80

mykl,

Hypothesis confirmed by experiment. Enjoy the boost.

So basically a boost acts like a "super-upvote" (in addition to acting like a share). Man, this is going to be interesting.

EDIT: See replies below for more details.

Fatalchemist,
@Fatalchemist@kbin.social avatar

Is this how boost is intended or just part of the broken system while things get under control?

I know like on mastodon, boost is basically retooting. Would me boosting something show somewhere on my profile? I guess I can look at your profile after this and see if the boost shows up on yours lol.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

in kbin, boosts and upvotes are like boosts and favorites in mastodon/calckey. but in here, boosts also ranking up the thread in the top category.

the reputation point is broken tho, because the mechanism behind boost and upvote have been modified/switched a few days ago, but the reputation point code not updated yet.

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

New to kbin and don't use Mastodon yet. If a boost is a super-upvote, why wouldn't you boost everything when you voted it up?

Edit: found the FAQ: boosts are sent to followers in timeline/feed.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

boosts are like retweet. it improves the visibility of a thread. it's like sharing it with all your followers + promoting it to the top category.

I boost content that I want to be seen. I upvote content as a kind gesture for the author. I downvote content that is really not appropriate but just not enough to be reported.

ed2417,

I managed to garner a negative reputation score through one satirical link. I am not motivated to post more at this point honestly.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

go check my profile, it will make you feel better 🤣

OurTragicUniverse,
@OurTragicUniverse@kbin.social avatar

I need to remember this. I don't want to upvote NSFW content and have all my kinks publically attached to this username.

Travisty,

I think it's a good thing to show the person behind the downvote based on the principles of transparency and sharing information freely. If corporations will take advantage of that data, they are the problem and the solution should reflect that.

If a person wants to participate in the discussion by either commenting or voting, they shouldn't be doing it behind a veil of anonymity.

Blakerboy777,
@Blakerboy777@kbin.social avatar

Isn't anonymous voting the cornerstone of democracy?

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

the cornerstone of democracy is education.

eatmoregreenfood,
@eatmoregreenfood@kbin.social avatar

I understand what you're saying, but in the broader scheme of the internet we should have the ability to dictate what of our data and actions get broadcast and therefore able to be mined by advertisers or other nefarious entities. This is actually a hugely important idea in fighting the corporatization of the internet. We need to stop letting mega corps build profiles on us based on our clicks.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

I totally agree, but I find it refreshing to make people accountable. Maybe there is a solution to keep it somehow private between users?

eatmoregreenfood,
@eatmoregreenfood@kbin.social avatar

I still don't really understand what your dissatisfied with. You said something about people downvoting too much? Say you see someone who is downvoting in a way you don't like. What is your recourse? Why do you want that information?

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

If I see someone downvoting all my thread or post, I'll block them. Anonymity is not always bringing the best out of people.

Cavalarrr,
@Cavalarrr@kbin.social avatar

People are allowed to disagree with things, although I understand if someone is just spamming the entirety of a thread with downvotes for no appreciable reason.
I'm in agreement with @eatmoregreenfood, that displaying your votes should be opt in, if available on the front end at all.
On a social basis, I don't think it matters; Whilst it would be preferable that someone explains why they disagree with something (assuming it is actually a disagreement, and not just malicious), I don't think anyone should be fearful of downvoting because the OP might call them out on it and expect them to explain, or forever see nothing from that user again. Disagreement isn't inherently negative.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

I'm sorry but we talked about silly things being posted in an other thread, we exchanged our point of view and at the end, you literally downvoted all of my silly intervention in the thread. so you do you but that is exactly this kind of behaviour I'm not looking forward here.

you could also argue that it would be a shame that anyone feels fearful to post because of people downvoting whatever it not pleasing them.

for me downvoting is a strong statement, not to be taken lightly. it can be part of building an very unwelcoming environment and also shaping the discours of users in only one direction.

please let's try to take what's the best of the fediverse here as well, be kind with each other if not excellent.

Cavalarrr,
@Cavalarrr@kbin.social avatar

Myself, and a handful of users by the looks of it, disagreed with the content of some of your posts, or thought it wasn't relevant / contributing to the discussion. I certainly didn't downvote the entirety of your contribution to that thread, and I don't intend for you to think it's a personal attack.

If you'd like to have a discourse on why I downvoted 4 of your comments, I, like many others aren't looking for the 'redditification' of another site, regardless of how similar the premise might be, and that's what I felt those comments were promoting, particularly 'gesundheit'. I understand wanting things to be 'just as good as they were', etc., but this is new, things can be better, and I personally don't want to see the site become reddit 2.0 just because there's been a big influx of users after the blackout started. You're entitled to want kbin.social to become something else, of course, and that's arguably what the voting system is there for.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

you shouldn't assume that much about my intention tho. and I rather talk to you and argue that being told to "shut if up", even tho you didn't say it, it's how a downvote feels.

I certainly don't want kbin to be a reddit 2.0. but id like people to feel free to express themself in all matter, not only being serious. We don't have to agree about that, it's ok. But one thing that I really wish would stay on reddit is this downvote culture.

vaguerant,
@vaguerant@kbin.social avatar

Are downvotes not a way in which people freely express themselves?

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

of course. but it's not mandatory to use them lightly.

for me it's a really powerful statement.

Blakerboy777,
@Blakerboy777@kbin.social avatar

For me it's rather trivial. It just means "I like that" or "I don't like that." It's an easy way if someone says something dumb or wrong for everyone to see that what they said was really unpopular. I think blocking is a far less trivial and shouldn't be bandied about so easily. Commenting in response can be adding to the discussion, or it can just be a super downvote where you explain exactly how wrong they are. You're entitled to your opinion and I won't block you for having a different one than mine, but I will downvote when I disagree.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

you do you, but I'm reluctant of building a community where the majority decide what's popular or unpopular with such behaviour. I'm more inclined to design and act for inclusivity.

this is exactly what I wish we don't bring from reddit.

jinno,

The only way to modify the design to fit that philosophy would be to make it very tedious to downvote something. "Are you sure" popups and multi-step. That way when people dislike it... they really dislike it.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

you'll have to translate 15 strings of kbin.pub? 😉 https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/2428/kbin-Translations

jinno,

for me it's a really powerful statement.

Unfortunately, that's not really the common thinking. It was the most commonly ignored piece of reddiquette.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

so let's change that! 🤗

Cavalarrr,
@Cavalarrr@kbin.social avatar

I understand what you're saying, but at the time, would you have rather I replied to each of the comments with 'I disagree', 'I don't like this', etc? That's just opening things up for unnecessary arguments that end up taking over a whole thread, which is sort of what's happening now.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

well taking up the whole thread is not an issue or is it? I quite enjoy talking with you to be honnest.

but your right, I understand that you don't want to reply to all my silly post. but I'm my book, you could have just ignored them and do nothing.

that's what I do when I see something that I don't agree with or don't like. either reply or ignore. I'll downvote only at the last recourse.

but I understand that we don't share the same value as what downvoting mean, and I'm ok with that. I just wish that this place will be build on the fediverse values from now on.

Cavalarrr,
@Cavalarrr@kbin.social avatar

well taking up the whole thread is not an issue or is it? I quite enjoy talking with you to be honnest.

If the thread is relevant to the topic at hand, then no, and I think this is relevant.

you could have just ignored them and do nothing.

I could have, but I chose to downvote a handful of comments that I didn't think were adding anything to the discussion, and I felt could have been seen on any top 100 reddit thread.

but I understand that we don't share the same value as what downvoting mean, and I'm ok with that.

I'm ok with that as well, and I appreciate that we can have a civil discussion about it. Like I've already said, it wasn't a personal attack or me saying "shut up". If I wanted to do that, I'd have commented that, and likely been deservedly downvoted into oblivion, because that's just not productive.

Edit; My first reply sounds a bit authoritarian, I think, and that's not what I want to convey- I'm not saying there can't be discussions that slowly veer off the topic of the post, but at the same time, if you're clicking into post comments, you don't want the first thing you see to be a 50 comment chain that winds up in a heated name calling argument, or two people just talking about PS1 emulators on your @knitting post, especially when there's no way to collapse comments currently (officially).

McBinary,
@McBinary@kbin.social avatar

This is the point that needs to be conveyed. Not every comment requires a full engagement of conversation. A quick up/down vote to show agreement is all that's needed and we shouldn't require unnecessary fluff.

Additionally, having a log of people's liked comments sounds like an incredible source of abuse for people scraping user data...

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

up vote and down vote is not mandatory.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

not answering directly to your post, just having a reflection about the state of things: if you check the thread we are in you can see that I'm almost always downvoted and you are always upvoted. just scroll back from here.

this is exactly the issue with this downvote culture inherited from reddit. the promotion of a single point of view and the exclusion of anyone trying to express something different from the constructed culture.

I'm all about deconstructing this.

deaconblue,
@deaconblue@kbin.social avatar

And your post is currently up to 17 downvotes. Seems like people pretty much proved the point you were making. I think that is kinda sad, but not entirely unpredictable. I'm still new here. I used reddit, sometimes I really liked it. But it wasn't perfect. I see this as a chance to improve. If we want to. I agree with what you said, I don't very often downvote. We will see what happens.

aroom,
@aroom@kbin.social avatar

yes it's pretty ironic.

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