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YurkshireLad, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

What is micro mobility? I’ve not heard this phrase before.

EmperorHenry, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
@EmperorHenry@sh.itjust.works avatar

We don’t want 15 minute cities.

I don’t need 15 cameras watching where I go at every second of the day. I don’t need a nanny state to control where I go or what I do.

Fried_out_Kombi,
@Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

You realize car-dependent cities require you to be licensed and registered to be able to access groceries, no? In a walkable neighborhood, you can walk. For free. No license. No big government. No registration. Car dependence is the surveillance state.

EmperorHenry,
@EmperorHenry@sh.itjust.works avatar

I buy groceries without showing ID. what you said is bullshit.

Fried_out_Kombi,
@Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

You have to drive to get groceries. I don’t. You need a license, registration, and insurance to drive. As a pedestrian, I don’t.

I have more freedom than you.

Dempf,

Did you drive to the grocery store?

ConfidentLonely,

Then be against surveillance in general… Its also a big problem. Not only a problem of 15 Minute cities. Cameras can also track your car quite easliy. Through the whole city.

All I need is less than 10 minutes away and I rarely need to go further for anything. And I love it. Not car dependend and no surveillance here.

rusticus, (edited ) in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Okay. For the US: …arcgis.com/…/9658b5befb944256bb587bc9b268a09a

Trains and micro mobility don’t work for the significant majority of homes.

Edit: That link estimates that 20% of the US population lives within a 10 minutes walk from a grocery store.

ConfidentLonely,

That is correct. It would need a lot of change in the US. But I can say in Europe it works pretty well.

Mixed Zoning and less suburbs are just two of the changes that would make a lot of lifes a lot better!

Sketchpad01, in [meme] Las Vegas Loop -- expectations vs reality

Las Vegas Loop sounds like a Mario Kart track

David_Granger, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Idk how the train will pick me up living in the middle of nowhere. Sure, trains are practical where civilization lives, but it’s just far too rural for trains here.

hglman,

The image says urban mobility. Issues with cars clearly don’t apply to the tiny number of people in the middle of nowhere.

Krtek, in [meme] Las Vegas Loop -- expectations vs reality

The could’ve actually built a transport vehicle thrill ride hybrid but they decided to build a dystopian traffic jam simulator

SkunkWorkz, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

I live in a small walkable city in the Netherlands. I ride the bus, the train and my bicycle. I still own a car since those other transport modes don’t cover every need I have. And car sharing is non existent in my town.

hglman,

What do you need your car for?

DLSchichtl,

Y’all are fuckin’ insufferable.

Nerd02,
@Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

I don’t think owning a car is necessarily a problem. For me FuckCars mostly means “fuck using a car unless you have to”, which means using a car for those kind of commutes that people do every day or very often. Go to your workplace, school or university, go shop groceries…

There will be other context where you are going to need a car. Your holidays, for one. It’s not a problem in my book. And of course it also applies to a lesser extent to folks living in the countryside, where it’s inherently more difficult and expensive to link communities to transit. Our main concern should be ridding cities of cars and you guys in the Netherlands are already doing an amazing work on that front in many places.

Crass_Spektakel, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation
@Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder how a train is picking up my walking disabled mother from three Kilometres afar?

Will a train stop at my house to pick up my some two tons of gardening scraps per year?

At which time will it deliver my 100kg of groceries per week?

Ton,

Do you run an orphanage?

t_jpeg,
  1. Accessible trains that cover long distances (particularly high-speed rail) with trains that have floors at the level of the platform, like any European country with a competent public transport system. “Your mother” could also use something like a microcar to get to the station, which is allowed on bike lanes in the Netherlands as long as she can prove she has a disability.
  2. No, but your sons would have an easier and safer time getting around with protected bike lanes, which is precisely why parents in the Netherlands never have to do school runs.
  3. Your groceries will get to you faster the less unneccessary road users are there due to less induced demand. Do you honestly think countries that heavily rely on public transport don’t have businesses that use the road regularly? Do you honestly think they have no emergency services (ambulances, firetrucks, police cars)? Have you actually thought about examples of how countries that actually exist using good public transport amenities and dense housing operate? Or are you just against change?
Crass_Spektakel,
@Crass_Spektakel@lemmy.world avatar

You meticulously avoided all hard questions. No problem, I just repeat them for you:

I wonder how a train is picking up my walking disabled mother from three Kilometres afar?

Will a train stop at my house to pick up my some two tons of gardening scraps per year?

At which time will it deliver my 100kg of groceries per week?

Also, How does a long distance train help my mother to get the 3km to her doctor?

How does a train help me buying building materials? Last week I bought 400kg of tiles. One drive with a car. It would have taken ten travels with a train if the train did stop inside the hardware store and directly in front of my house. Delivery by truck would have cost €50.

A “micro car” is not only insanely expensive, it also has no room for my mothers wheelchair.

My country has one of the best public transport systems in the western world. Everything you mention is available here. We can drive EVERYWHERE for a €49 flat rate and we have three bus stops within 100 metres. Still that doesn’t help to solve a single problem I mentioned earlier.

Oh, and spending €245 for a family trip in a train? Not gonna happen. With the car it is a €10 trip.

But there is a actually a solution which could work: Robotaxis at very low prices per km. It wouldn’t lower the traffic but reduce the parked cars and the TCO of personal transport.

Please give me moar bullshittery to mock you. It is fun.

t_jpeg,

I didn’t avoid your questions but if you would like to move your goalposts I can attempt to accomodate you.

The use of a microcar with a wheelchair is a very realistic possibility. In actual fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they already exist precicely because microcars are designed for people who are disabled. You know, the same people most likely to be wheelchair users?

I also find it so funny that you’re complaining about the potential cost of purchasing a microcar but a full size car is a justifiable expense to you.

Where in the fuck is a trip costing 235 Euros that costs you 10 Euros by car? That type of cost disparity is not even a thing in the UK, where there is some of the worst teains in all of Europe. That’s simply a shit public transport system. Unlimited journeys through the interrail system across 33 countries in Europe for one month costs 704 Euros.

That’s not even taking into account the fact that your mother would not be 3km away from some form of public transport service if your mother’s government was actually made of competent people.

Funny how you also didn’t address point 2 and 3.

Schlemmy, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

I rented a car with adaptive cruise controle a month ago and it felt like riding a train. Driverles cars could work if they aren’t personal possession.

t_jpeg,

They won’t work because they take up space and therefore genrate traffic. They are also wasteful to resources, electric or not, because trains do a more efficient job of transporting people en mass than motorways/ highways (decreased cost of traintrack maintenance, decreased use of fuel per capita).

Schlemmy,

I ride a train 5 days a week. Not every destination can be reached by train. We need a multimodal approach to transport.

In the morning I ride to the railroad station with my own bike. There I take the train to the nearest hub and depending on my final destination I take a train or a bus. When I take the train I always take a shared bike for the last part of my journey.

Sometimes I really need to take a car because there is no suitable connection or the total commute takes up to much time by public transport. Then it would be great to eb able to call a self driving car to get me to my destination. A car that uses the highway and maind roads as if it was a railroad. Just attach your car to the line of cars passing. They could all go at the same speed and crossings could be arranged at turn by turn system so nobody really has to wait.

nomadjoanne, in [meme] Trains -- not driverless cars -- are the future of transportation

Whether society wants it or not? Quite, um, authoritarian if I do say so, sir.

t_jpeg,

What on God’s burning Earth is authoritarian about a government implementing public transport? Genuinely, how the fuck?

nomadjoanne,

The key thought there is “whether society likes it or not”, not that the government implements a public transport system.

t_jpeg,

I apologise, I read your comment wrong.

nomadjoanne,

No worries. Un-downvoted.

Shapillon,

Is having a finite amount of lithium to make electric cars, asphalt to make roads, etc authoritarian?

We should revolt against the constraints of our physical world.

nomadjoanne,

That’s basically what the market does.

Shapillon,

How? Last time I checked, it was pretty abysmal at rationing…

jerkface, in More Lanes = More Congestion
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

What is the train wreck of a post description all about?!

neanderthal, in [meme] Las Vegas Loop -- expectations vs reality

Trams are perfect for the strip. One with maybe 5 or so stops would probably get a lot of use.

Rowsdower,

BRT could be installed pretty quickly and cheaply as well. Remove the center two lanes from the strip, and add in some elevators

beefcat, (edited ) in [video] Europeans love sleeper trains. Why don’t we? | CBC Creator Network
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

I have a hard enough time sleeping anywhere that isn’t my own bed. No way I’d ever get any sleep on one of these.

Downvoting this comment solves the problem how?

lvxferre, in More Lanes = More Congestion
@lvxferre@lemmy.ml avatar

More lanes → more people driving + more people taking that specific route → problem gets worse.

Usually a better approach is to invest on mass transport; for example even if a bus takes the space of three cars (I’m guessing), it’s able to comfortably transport at least 20 people.

Sadly, any sort of mass transportation system is also prone to the same sort of vicious cycle; for example, if queue time for buses is too long, people will avoid taking them unless strictly necessary, so their usage is lower, so the companies put even less buses on those lines, so queue times increase even more. It’s basically what happened in my city (Curitiba), that used to have a fairly decent mass transport system.

huginn,

I’ve heard the rule of thumb is that mass transit will basically always take about as long as driving there: because people will choose one or the other based on time.

So if you want your mass transit to improve it’s always worth it to do it at the expense of drivers: they’ll become your riders.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve heard the rule of thumb is that mass transit will basically always take about as long as driving there

From personal experience this is true with some caveats - it doesn’t take into account waiting times, or that mass transport will never stop exactly where you want it to, or that sometimes you need take multiple ones to reach your destination. All those things add time that potential passengers take into account before deciding “I’ll take the bus” vs. “I’ll drive” or “I’ll take a uber”.

So if you want your mass transit to improve it’s always worth it to do it at the expense of drivers: they’ll become your riders.

Yup - and that’s what a mayor here did in the 90s, to encourage the usage of the bus system. For example certain central avenues got bus-exclusive lanes, and car transit in the leftover lines actually decreased because of that.

scytale, (edited )

Same in my city, although mass transit was already terrible to begin with. Now, buses are often late or don’t arrive at all. Bus stops still have no shade which is miserable in this heat.

elouboub, (edited ) in [video] Europeans love sleeper trains. Why don’t we? | CBC Creator Network
@elouboub@kbin.social avatar

Because it makes USAians think of sleeper agents, which are communist, which is anti-capitalist, ergo sleeper trains are made by communists to weaken the capitalist of Americania, which is immoral and deeply unpatriotic. /s

Seriously though, good video. Regulation is very important.

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