kalkulat, (edited )
@kalkulat@lemmy.world avatar

Many hundreds of billions of dollars were paid to haul all of that mass up the gravity well into orbit. And guess who spent all of that money? And guess who’d like to make a LOT MORE money?

Apart from the spent rockets (now sitting at the bottom of Point Nemo) and fuel, most of ISS was clearly expensive and versatile and well-designed. And VERY likely to be worth recycling.

Instead, send a rocket up there to LIFT ISS into a stable parking orbit that won’t decay in thousands of years. By then somebody will have found a use for most of it. If ‘space-faring’ is really the goal, and not just a gimmick to put money into private pockets.

Using it to make a spectacular fireworks show is an ENORMOUS waste. The Egyptians didn’t dynamite the pyramids … a lucrative decision.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

The Egyptians didn’t dynamite the pyramids … a lucrative decision.

They (or someone anyway) did take the gold off 'em, tho.

smuuthbrane,
@smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works avatar

My bet: a Starship variant. Send it up, refuel it as needed, and you’ve got a metric shit ton of de-orbit push. Starship will have been to the moon by then, it’ll be a proven platform.

Hell, use a fleet and you could reland the ISS if you wanted it back on Earth intact.

ubermeisters,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

ISS would not support it’s own weight or even close to it. You would have to basically disassemble the whole thing again for return trips.

smuuthbrane,
@smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works avatar

Oh I know. It would be expensive, nobody would pay to do it. But the Smithsonian would get one hell of a display if someone did.

ubermeisters, (edited )
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

I HEARD ELON MUSK IS TOO BIG OF A NAZI PUSSY TO EVEN BE ABLE TO BRING THE ISS HOME FOR ADVANCED RESEARCH AND HISTORICAL PRESERVATION


I got this dont worry 😉 never fails

ChaoticNeutralCzech,
@ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de avatar

Hmmm… private operators’ space stations in low earth orbit. What could go wrong?

ubermeisters, (edited )
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

Take a look at the world around you and tell me who’s fucked up more historically, private entities or governments? I feel like the answer is governments. I don’t know about yours, but MY government can’t even make up a fucking BUDGET, and you want them doing shit in space? No thanks. Let’s let the people with passion, experience, and the right pay take care of it.

kalkulat, (edited )
@kalkulat@lemmy.world avatar

who’s fucked up more historically, private entities or governments?

Historically, private entities … not even close. Governments are far more open to scrutiny. Entities pay well to keep their fuckups hidden. You have dig into the hundreds of books written about them to learn the documented facts. How many workers did Ford have shot? (Why did Hitler give him a golden award?) Why did the German dye-makers move their factories to New Jersey, then China? Why was noone willing to insure the early nuclear reactors … so the government had to?

ubermeisters, (edited )
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

Option 1: government does it

  • Government makes plan
  • Government takes bids for contractors to do the work
  • Lowest bidder that can get a senator some decent head at dinner gets the contract
  • Earth shattering kaboom

Option 2: Private Sector does it

  • Several companies See potential business opportunity
  • Companies innovate in an arms race to develop better platforms and technologies
  • Costs for the entire industry go down as a result of innovative solutions coming to market
  • Financial investments from external sources due to increased traction enable faster development and more rigorous testing
  • Earth shattering applause
BluJay320,
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

So why is our healthcare absolute shit?

ubermeisters, (edited )
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

Because our representatives allow themselves to be purchased. See bullet point 3 above, and try to keep up please

BluJay320,
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Because privatization (and capitalism in general) opens the door for greedy corporations to squeeze every bit of profit they can out of something. And skirt regulation or oversight in the process

ubermeisters,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

because because because because (ad nauseum) - the law allows it. that’s on the government. We can fix that. No, I don’t know how, and if I did, I would be screaming it from the rooftops.

BluJay320,
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

No, it’s on the corporations for doing whatever shitty things they can get away with.

No corporation has the interests of the people in mind. Only their wallets.

ubermeisters,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

We’re definitely had a fundamental impasse here

BluJay320,
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Fair enough. Agree to disagree

knfrmity,

Way to miss the forest for the lichen on the trees.

ubermeisters,
@ubermeisters@lemmy.world avatar

Take some old man’s beard and shove it up your ass for me all right

Maeve,

I wanted to vomit when I read that.

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