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Researching Security and Privacy in practice, in that order.

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Did you watch the video? The Android Open Source Project isn’t owned by Google. Even if it was, the point of the video is that you have the choice not to use Chrome or any other Google service on android. Android offers about the same average base level of privacy and security as iOS does, but with much more potential. That ranges from uninstalling Google apps to flashing custom ROMs like GrapheneOS.

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Somehow, a few people here actually DON’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT – 17 minutes of comprehensive analysis and well supported arguments in favor of the claim in the title.

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Maybe, dunno, just watch the video?

The comparison is between Android and iOS, not Android and some fictional perfectly-private-and-secure-by-default OS. Even if you don’t want to put GrapheneOS on your phone, on Android you can very easily take steps that take you further than would be possible on iOS.

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Almost all banking apps work on GrapheneOS.

privsec.dev/…/banking-applications-compatibility-…

Stock Android still offers way more potential for privacy than iOS does.

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Google. I never said otherwise and it doesn’t change anything about what I or THO said.

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Never said Google wasn’t the main influencer. Doesn’t change anything about what I said.

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So you’re not just of the opinion that Android isn’t more private and secure than iOS, but GrapheneOS isn’t as well?

In this case I don’t think taking this any further makes much sense. It isn’t my data and security at risk. I just sincerely hope that you don’t have too severe of a threat model.

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Michael Bazzell from Intel Techniques and the Privacy, Security and OSINT Show recommends it over iOS as well. I have never heared a credible argument for iOS over GrapheneOS. Personally, I wouldn’t even know where to begin if I had to make one without just completely lying about everything.

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It’s not the fault of GrapheneOS that there are so few phones with the necessary security. They can’t reprogram your hardware.

More importantly, it doesn’t change anything about Android > iOS.

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conveniently ignoring that google runs a dedicated, ccp-friendly version of google

If you had paid any attention, you’d know that the point was that on Android it’s way easier to simply not use the Play Store (without compromising your security even), so Google doesn’t have nearly as much control.

conveniently ignoring that there are altstores for jailbroken iphones

It is much less accessible, less supported and can be a security risk. If it was so easy, why didn’t the people in HK simply do that?

conveniently ignoring the gigabytes of undeletable bloatware

Still better than iOS, which is the point of the video.

conveniently ignoring that there are several apps like protonvpn that prevents tracking in general

Using ProtonVPN doesn’t “prevent tracking in general” and that you think it does is showing about how qualified you are on this topic.

shilling graphene without mentioning that one has to buy an iphone price tagged pixel to install it, not going down that installing a rom is way out of the skillset of karen mcnormie

You can get a Pixel for less, but do you know what also is iPhone price tagged? iPhones.

There’s a web installation for GrapheneOS not shown in the video that is so easy my grandma might be able to do it given some time.

a rom maintained by a single guy in india who claims it’s very privacy respecting

This is so far from the truth that you might as well say it’s currently maintained by an alien on mars.

TLDR - for the sake of yourself and everyone that might be misled by your misinformed comments, please educate yourself. Everyone has to start somewhere, and admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about is much more respectable than typing bs because you don’t know any better. You can start your journey by actually watching the video while paying attention, or alternatively reading about GrapheneOS on their official website.

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Please don’t trust what they wrote and think for yourself. They clearly have no idea what they are talking about, as I explained in another comment.

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An evaluation of good or bad an OS is for privacy should first and firemost focus on the actual OS, not the biggest contributer. It is an important point, and it would be way way more important if Android wasn’t open source. But it is, and it can easily be checked by security researchers. So saying Google bad (which I agree with ftr), and everything Google touches bad, would not only exclude you from many open source projects like linux, it would also not be a good aporoach to make a good, informed choice about your digital life.

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Ok, that’s fair:)

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conveniently ignores

Is this about how private and secure the actual usage of the actual OS is, or what?

What is inherently better about using GrapheneOS vs Other Privacy Focused ROMs?

I know that GrapheneOS has a lot of security features that make it basically impossible to compromise your phone. And that it has a lot of control over permissions and has some privacy features. But it also has a Google Services compatibility that would allow you to use Google services, which would allow Google to harvest a lot...

iustitia,
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Sandboxed Google Play provides better security, privacy and usability. Why that is, as well as your question about Calyx vs Graphene, is answered in this Privacy Guides Blogpost.

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Wearing special anti-surveillance clothing because you want to make sure cameras can’t identify you is the real life equivalent to installing ten privacy browser extensions because you want to make sure websites can’t track you.

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Exactly:)

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