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cbontenbal, to philosophy Dutch
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I find myself not understanding the concept of atheism. Who wants to explain it to me in a coherent way for a beginner? With a metaphysical substantiation please, if that is at all possible.

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@pauld @davidesalerno68 @economics @smithkm @philosophy I think (but I'm still looking for the arguments for it) that the division between transcendent and immanent is fundamental and absolute.

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@pauld @davidesalerno68 @jordan_kendrick @economics @smithkm @philosophy You should read Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, especially his book Mystical Theology. Rooted in the Neo-Platonic tradition, it forms the basis of the thinking of, for example, Eriugena and Thomas Aquinas.

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@SusanHR @davidesalerno68 @pauld @economics @smithkm @philosophy Thank you for articulating the materialist's creed: "Credo in materia. Nihil aliud. Amen."

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@pauld @davidesalerno68 @jordan_kendrick @economics @smithkm @philosophy Other thinkers can formulate what I mean better.

cbontenbal,
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@SusanHR @pauld @davidesalerno68 @jordan_kendrick @economics @smithkm @philosophy I don't think I said that God is a man. And if I did that by accident: apologies.

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@Jakra @davidesalerno68 @philosophy Standing on the outside looking in, its quite apparent that science is a human invention. Standing on the inside looking out, I'm sure that people are convinced theirs is the true understanding of reality.

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@msteenhagen @EdwardJCornwell @lack @spencer @philosophy @Drew @philippsteinkrueger Isn't the problem that we want to separate object and subject? Maybe phenomenology provides an answer?

cbontenbal,
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@EdwardJCornwell @msteenhagen @lack @spencer @philosophy @Drew @philippsteinkrueger Edward, you're right! My thread has been completely stolen! :-)

By the way, I agree with you that I cannot verify the existence of God. I haven't decided on the colors yet.

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@msteenhagen @EdwardJCornwell @Drew @philippsteinkrueger @spencer @lack @philosophy Plotinus. Philo. Dionysius. Eriugena. Cusanus. Eckhart. Böhme. Kant.

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@dingodog19 @ber @philosophy Some do not understand that 'God' is beyond reality. God is transcendent, in other words, God is, as it were, the ground of reality.

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Oops, I misinterpreted the word 'metaphysics'; I was under the false impression it had to do with the supernatural. You can ignore the last sentence in my toot!

The reason I conclude there are no gods: I see no need for any to exist. Gods once were invented by mankind to explain natural phenomena, but nowadays we have science to do this.

I find it hard to explain atheism. The burden of proof lies with people who claim that something exists, not the other way around.

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@ralphcrutzen @philosophy I asked the question wrong. It should have been: what metaphysics do you use? And does God/god/gods have a place in it?

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Contrary to Thatcher, I think that there's no such thing as individuals without society.

Minds are a product of our existence as social beings, and that is part of the reason why reality is a social construct.

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EricLawton, to philosophy Dutch
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@cbontenbal

Minds are part of physical reality.

They're abstract, but so are bodies. The atoms they're made of change fairly rapidly; it's not the matter that matters.

Are bodies less real than atoms (which exist in ways we find strange and can't understand well without complex mathematical theories)?

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