cameron_vale

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cameron_vale,

No power to the membership. All power to the moderators. No courts. No legal process. Moderators’ rule is law. No necessity to even explain or justify their actions. As if it were their house.

cameron_vale,

An unjust system is a filter that prefers stupid. I think that’s fair to say. And with time the stupid only amplifies via positive feedback.

So it’s a choice between stupid and chaos.

Hmm, tough choice.

cameron_vale,

Something algorithmic. I have a couple ideas in that direction.

Assuming a good moderation automation, what good reason would anybody have for wanting the job?

cameron_vale,

Is it just the subs I go to or does this place go torches and pitchforks on anybody with a strange idea?

cameron_vale, (edited )

Our posts and comments are the treasure here.

A better analogy would be a bank. You deposit some money and then the bank says “this is my money”.

That would be fucked up. Right?

cameron_vale,

Ya I know.

Thing is, I’m an outlier. I post strange stuff. And the 99% is the opposite. So our ideas of what’s comfortable may differ.

Or maybe I’m just posting to the wrong subs

cameron_vale, (edited )

Well that would be an example of automation that needs improving.

That’s what software developers do, right?

cameron_vale, (edited )

That… utterly failed to address my point. Or even come close to it.

And then it got solid upvotes.

THIS is an example of… ah fuck it.

cameron_vale,

Ah the accusation. The exclamation point of the enlightened.

cameron_vale,

But it’s our conversation.

You imply that the server has greater value than the conversation. That isn’t so.

cameron_vale,

Yes, pretty much

cameron_vale,

Or an independent researcher.

Because there’s supposedly more to this than old secondhand stories.

cameron_vale,

Or causality is an imperfect representation of reality.

cameron_vale,

99% of us just think whatever our friends think. Is that an argument for or against what we’re thinking?

cameron_vale,

If you spend 10 years focused on cracking a tough riddle then you aren’t like most people.

cameron_vale,

Thanks for your analysis doctor. But what about the question?

cameron_vale,

I think it might speak against the idea. Because there is a strong probability that it is chosen, not because evidence/logic/etc leads to it, but because it is popular with one’s friends. Not saying it’s necessarily so, but there’s a strong probability.

(Which would lead to “truth can only be gotten from antisocial weirdos”. Which is kinda bleak I guess.)

But yes. I think that the 99% of people get their whole reality from consensus. No actual independent thinking except in the details. And there is also a vast hostility to the strange there. Maybe that’s “tribalism”.

cameron_vale, (edited )

It’s funny. People I know who are religious. They may have a head full of scripture but dogmatism isn’t as ubiquitous as you might think. And often behind that scriptural thinking is a proper humility. An understanding that these eyes and this brain are just a speck. A dot of illumination in a vast night. Fine modern scientific and/or theological theories notwithstanding.

The popular arrogance, otoh, is childish. Smug certainty that you have truth in hand. I find that hard to swallow.

Drugs and meditation are the best cure for it as far as I can tell.

I like meditation a lot.

cameron_vale,

I described like 5 things. Can you be more specific?

cameron_vale,

Modern people are smart and everybody in the past was dumb.

All that religion and mysticism. All that stuff about gods, little people, spirits, elves, afterlife, etc. Stuff that all the smart people talked about for thousands of years.

It’s all wrong. They were all just dumb.

Does that count as romanticizing too?

cameron_vale,

I agree. And every time a new way of thinking comes along, everybody hates all the other ways of thinking.

cameron_vale,

When they came for the neo-nazis I said nothing.

cameron_vale,

Who do you supposed killed more people. The Nazis or the USA?

cameron_vale,

Nazis are the lowest-hanging fruit. Thus we see many dwarven fruitarians here. And dwarven fruitarians seriously deserve mocking.

cameron_vale,

Some hard numbers might add clarity to this soup of outraging.

cameron_vale,

Focus on answering the question. It aids clarity.

cameron_vale,

Suit yourself.

cameron_vale,

I’m too high to parse that

cameron_vale,

Ooh, evasive. Which metric did USA win? And by how much?

Just delivering a dose of sanity to this low hanging fruit salad.

Of course nazis are bad. But you people. Look at you. Frothing on command. Bunch of drones waiting for your target programming.

cameron_vale, (edited )

Oh how you evade my point.

Remember. A few years of deprivation, a rousing propaganda campaign and a billionaire’s funding, and you too might become the next “bad guy”.

Heck, none of these people ever saw a nazi outside of a videogame, and look at their passion. Puppets looking for a master.

cameron_vale,

Were they born bad?

cameron_vale,

Oh just answer the simple question

cameron_vale,

But that isn’t my central point my obtuse buddy.

My central point is that it’s complicated. Because reality is complicated. And the difference between a nazi and a regular person is much smaller than you think.

cameron_vale,

That would make a good videogame

cameron_vale,

Ah so they changed. Why did they change?

cameron_vale,

It matters because it’s the difference between them and you.

So if we had bad experiences then maybe we would be nazis.

That idea makes my head spin.

cameron_vale,

You realize that calling people nazis is dehumanizing too, right?

cameron_vale, (edited )

Normal people just want to pay their bills and get high. But sometimes life gets fucked up and people are stressed out.

Then some politicians come along with a story about how those guys with the different skin/religion/etc are to blame.

And then some rich guys buy you some guns.

So maybe it’s the politicians and the rich guys that we should be looking at.

cameron_vale,

Ya I saw that movie too.

cameron_vale,

You are free to get the chip or not.

But if you refuse the chip then you might lose your job, or your ability to shop.

It will be the new cellphone.

cameron_vale,

why do you hate science?

cameron_vale,

It will be the new vax. Anybody who doesn’t get it will be guilty of antisocial behavior and endangering the health of their fellow citizens.

In fact if you got the vax then it’s only logical that you get the chip too.

cameron_vale,

death penalty for taking any recreational drug that interferes with your mandatory discord feed

cameron_vale,

Both are the clear choice for every obedient, right-thinking, socially-conscious citizen. Smart guys like you and me. It’s a foregone conclusion.

cameron_vale,

That’s nice. Did you copy paste it or do you have it memorized?

cameron_vale,

Yes yes. So virtuous and obedient.

But consider this. Take all your well-worn arguments for the vax and every time you see “vax”, replace that with “brainchip”.

You see how it works.

cameron_vale,

Learn how to meditate ASAP. Magic is real and meditation is the doorway to it.

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