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agamemnonymous, to rpggreentext in The Medusa

It unreasonably bothers me when people say “a medusa”. Medusa is a proper name, the creature she was was a gorgon. It’s like calling anyone who plays basketball “a Shaq”.

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in Whats your such opinion

Emergence is actually a considerable personal interest of mine, so this is a fun topic for me, and your position is one I used to hold. There’s a basic problem with this line of thinking though.

Emergent patterns and behavior are observed, only. The emergent property isn’t composed of any substance, it is a mathematical construct. That is to say, the higher order organization of ant colonies and bird flocks do not in and of themselves experience qualia. They certainly might look like it from the outside, but that’s the entire point of emergence: this “substance” is an illusion, there is no subjective experience associated with the ant colony or the bird flock. Each individual has it, but the collective itself only looks like it does.

Consciousness is made of some “substance”. The experience itself is made out of “I am”, whatever that is. So if you’re being intellectually honest, and follow the logic fully, you come to one of two conclusions :

  1. Subjective experience does arise purely from emergence: any sufficiently complex and interconnected system can develop a similar phenomenon. If this is the case, then a sufficiently large flock of birds could theoretically “turn on” and begin to have a centralized conscious experience like we do. The Internet itself might “turn on” one day. Why not the universe itself, which is so much larger and more complex still? It’s laughably unscientific to suggest that this phenomenon only emerges at the extremely specific scale of the human nervous system, but nothing bigger.

The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is that it’s more likely than not that the entire universe has an emergent consciousness.

  1. Subjective experience does not arise purely from emergence: the “I am” substance is some fundamental property of the universe, similar to gravity or electromagnetism. The role of emergence is either to develop non-conscious matter into a form that interacts with a consciousness “field” like building a radio, or all matter experiences consciousness and the role of emergence is to develop it into more sophisticated forms.

The logical conclusion of that line of thinking is that there is a panpsychic field permeating the universe.

I’m very explicitly not saying that there’s literally a giant bearded man who lives in the clouds who got into a fight with a talking snake. All of that is a combination of metaphors to explain abstract concepts to bronze age shepherds, translation errors, and bad faith actors trying to secure power for themselves.

What I am saying is that a thorough persistence in the rational exploration of the phenomenon of subjectivity leads one to a universe-spanning consciousness of one nature or another, and that attempts to describe it with human language evoke descriptions consistent with pretty much every major cultures core concept of God before the power-hungry priests started telling people that the universal consciousness will punish them for being naughty.

Personally I’m in the panpsychist camp. I don’t know how much physics you’ve taken, but the modern view basically treats everything as the interaction of fields.

agamemnonymous, to android in Google weighs Gemini AI project to tell people their life story using phone data, photos

Out of sight, out of mind.

agamemnonymous, to risa in Aww, did somebody get addicted to white?

That business model is exclusive to extremely physiologically addictive drugs, like heroin and meth. Is that generally your market?

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in Whats your such opinion

we can conclude that it is an emergent property that has arisen like other properties emergent from biological matter

Examples?

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in How poor is the average American?

Brainwashed mostly, both parties contribute, but the right wing significantly moreso. Focus is actively concentrated on culture/morality issues like gun control, abortion, sexuality, etc. so that voters make decisions based on those positions rather than material issues. Additionally, American politicians have led a smear campaign against socialism for at least a century. You can’t vote for the scary socialists, they murder babies and destroy the economy and force everyone to get sex changes.

agamemnonymous, to rpgmemes in Attacking the darkness

Justlistentotherhythmofmyheart

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in What Film Are You Surprised Didn't Get A Sequel?

Carbon?

agamemnonymous, to memes in No Pain No Gain

Who remembers Altoids Sours?

agamemnonymous, to comicstrips in Maximum Effort, Minimum Appreciation

Keming

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in Who is a fictional character you most identified with?

A tad aspirationally, Hagbard Celine

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in What Film Are You Surprised Didn't Get A Sequel?

Honestly I was pretty pleased. I think both are masterclasses in worldbuilding and natural exposition

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in What Film Are You Surprised Didn't Get A Sequel?

Ah, common logical mistake. A =⟩ B does not imply B=⟩ A, like squares and rectangles.

‘No sequel’ =⟩ ‘film very bad’ OR ‘film very good’

does not imply

‘Film very bad’ OR ‘film very good’ =⟩ ‘no sequel’

In the same way

Square =⟩ rectangle

does not imply

Rectangle =⟩ square

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in What Film Are You Surprised Didn't Get A Sequel?

Jeff Goldblum playing one of the least eccentric characters in the film was also great.

agamemnonymous, to asklemmy in What Film Are You Surprised Didn't Get A Sequel?

The books, game, BBC radio series, BBC television series, and film were all written by Adams, each with slightly independent canon.

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