Happens when your enemy has 0 regard for using their civilian shields. And Hamas purposely does it because they know white leftists on lemmy and reddit adjacent communities to go insane over it. You’d think that at some point the Palestinian population would get rid of the only real existential threat they can get rid of. Hamas and their associates.
“American funded war machine that was created and defended for decades without US funding it”
“Instead demand ceasefire and for this to repeat again and again and this time for sure Hamas won’t take your gas and food to provoke massive bombings again I swear.”
Tell me, why is it that Israel is having to secure these humanitarian/refugee corridors for Palestinians with tanks? Who are they defending these people from exactly? Why is it that despite Palestine always being out of food and water they somehow always have materials for rockets to attack indiscriminately? And not to mention that Palestine gets nearly the exact same aid percapita dollar wise than Israel does from the US. It’s ridiculous. Surely anyone could see that supporting a terrorist group that is greatly provoking a large beast besides you is stupid. I dont believe Palestinians are some dumb people that can’t see the writing on the wall.
Mmhmm. Notice how you didn’t answer who the IDF has to protect Gazan refugees from on their way out of Gaza.
And indiscriminate? Given a terrorist straps babies onto their bodies and begins attacking people. Is it morally wrong to stop the terrorist with force or will anything to stop him from massacring people is a war crime? I just found out a secret hack. Clearly us soldiers should just strap babies on themselves to invade all other counties. Instant justification to conquer anything. Thanks mate.
For indiscriminate slaughter it sure doesn’t match the description of it btw. Just look at ww2. That was indiscriminate.
As for your claim of me justifying collective punishment I’m not. Simply is the act of shooting the terrorist that chose to strap babies on his body. That isn’t collective punishment. That is the unfortunate reality of enemies that use human shields.
I’ll make it easy for you. Hamas is the government of the people and they use human shields. If you use a human shield the fault does not fall on the one stopping the terrorist. It falls on the terrorist. What backwards logic. You didn’t even refute it btw. That “dumbass thought experiment.” It isnt as if Jews are by far the most genocided group in history and were genocided from the Arab world. It isnt as if a 2 state solution was offered for peace in the 80s and soundly rejected by Palestinian terrorist. I will never be okay with terror campaigns against civilians from either side. If you live in the US let me take your stuff btw. Possibly assault you and your loved ones too. I have more right to my ancestors lands and its fruits than you.
I mean you are the one defending terrorist. Those terrorist had no option than to jeopardize their ceasefire that they never respected nor than to explicitly say they dont give a fuck about Palestinian lives and that they are the UN’s problem. But w/e
I love how your kind throws around genocide as if Gaza hasn’t ballooned to several times the population size in a few years. Man how is it that Israel is so bad at genocide? Are they stupid? Just drop bombs on civilian centers and dont tell them dumbasses. SMH. How do they manage to miss so many civilians in a dense population area like that? Wtf. Are their state-of-the-art automatic bombs that hit where rockets where shot from really that bad at ignoring that and hitting concentrated areas? SMH. What a dumb argument. If yall keep using genocide for everything its really gonna lose all its meaning as it already is. If Israel wanted to, they could easily wipe out 99% of life in the Gaza strip. WW2 combing campaigns easily got more than all the bombings this campaign so far in just 4 raids.
And angry about terrorism? Ya. I mean you are welcome to celebrate the beheading and burning of people alive and the brutality. That just makes you evil. The path to peace isn’t by continuing to be terrorist. Israel would want nothing more than to stop having to deal with Palestine.
I mean I am, im not just not insane. Simple as. You really should get around actual people instead of only your online socialist friends. You’ll find indigenous people aren’t nearly as terrorist-supporting as you wished they were. But i dont want just any land. I want yours.
I can agree that Palestine needs better treatment and Israel needs to work towards peace. I can also believe that organizations like Hamas make peace impossible. But you aren’t supporting Palestine. You are supporting Hamas. Please do me the favor and ask your coworkers if Hamas was justified in beheading those babies. Please. Im sure they’ll be ecstatic to hear that you are fully behind those acts of terror. Its okay. People have finally seen how bad Hamas really is. Make sure to show the video of the kid and mom that were tied together and burned alive to your coworkers and tell them how they deserved it. Tell them how the raping was so cool. Those settler babies had it coming. Im sure they’ll think you are a normal person.
Btw you never answered. Why is it that the IDF has to secure humanitarian corridors for Gazan refugees with IDF tanks? Who are they protecting the Gazan refugees from there? Of course you won’t answer questions. You’ll just move on to the next talking point.
So you won’t tell your coworkers? I thought you said its normal with them. Its funny that you still think they are talking points. You probably are the kind that still believe that one hospital was bombed by the IDF and for no reason and a gorllion Gazans died in that infinite density parking-lot.
It must be easy to just ignore all points and just move to your next point when I do address yours. Ya not a single original thought in your head.
Man it must make you so mad that I have darker skin than you. Absolutely seething lmao. You are going down the line of prompts that were programed into you almost perfectly. Not once having to use that brain of yours. Impressive.
I talk all the time to friends who are extremely Pro-Palestine. I love discussing and arguing with them. Not one of them blatantly supports terrorism like you. And of course you don’t want to engage with anything. Engaging with anything would require you to think and form your first thought. Can’t have that. Too spooky. Also please please please go talk to your friends about how you support terrorism and it is justified. Like I said show them the videos of Hamas murdering, raping, and torturing civilians and geefully tell them how you love how these ‘freedom fighters’ are hitting back finally. I often wonder how people like you end up the way you are. Probably never struggled in life huh? Biggest struggle you had in your life was probably putting down a fork and having to become an adult. What a privilege.
An isolated tunnel? Probably. Because Israel has free movement in their own territory and can organize that. Do you honestly think that Israel can just freely organize the surgical removal of thousands of tunnels away from the iron dome? What a dumb ass statement. Do you actually think about what you type?
“Not exactly white” If you consider the Israelis in Israel as white, as you clearly do, then you are just as white at least.
And why not condemn evil acts just because you think the people are oppressed? Navajo mentally unwell guy goes into your home and kills your loved ones. Do you clap and say “yas queen take back that land!” No you don’t because that is stupid and inhuman. Being unable to condemn something so easily identifiable is ridiculous. Btw I’ll still take your stuff if you are offering. Just need to know where to go.
That is unique. I don’t think 99% of people would share nor understand this point. Fascinating. Well at least it is morally consistent. Honeslty based. Still dont approve but as long as you stick to your moral frame I can at least understand some of it. I guess the next natural question is how far that should extend? E.g. what is the cut off? Can Israel, using argument, claim that they are justified because of the ancestral land? As an example.
I can think that the creation of a state for Jews can be supported. The manner wasn’t justified. But the idea in of it is very easy to justify with a group that historically has been among if not the most persecuted ethnic group in history. A group that has been expelled from nearly ever nation in the world at least once, it feels, like jews might have probably the best argument out of just about anyone for a place to call their own where they can defend themselves. Jews even in the US are still by far the biggest victims of hate crime.
I do think Palestinians did have a right to fight Israel, but obviously not terrorism and this is where you and i will disagree with no possibility of reconciliation. But Israel managed to hang on and largely on their own resources pre-1960s. Hell the largest land increase Israel has ever had was the result of a war and the land was given to them for peace.
But in the modern era, even though the original foundation was not justified, the only reasonable path towards peace is for the 2 state solution with the support if Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations to help enforce and encourage peace. Israel will never give up the Israeli state and the collapse of Israel will result in the genocide of the Israelis there as is the explicit and stated goals of most groups opposed to Israel in the area and has been demonstrated. But a scared Israel fighting for their life would be a disaster for Palestinians.
I’m pretty sure the comment was referencing the Israeli hostages. Are Gazans hostages. Ya id agree. And still it would boil down to the terrorist with babies strapped on them. International and moral law does not dictate that you cannot touch a terrorist because they willfully attempt to maximize civilian deaths.
Palestine explicitly does not distinguish between civilians and militants. Also clearly the health ministry does not care about accuracy in this war because 1 hour after the hospital bombing they literally made up a number.
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Uh huh. Makes false statements and then tells me to do my own research after proving you are full of shit. W/e I suppose. You clearly didn’t know anything which is hilarious. How embarrassing. Actual anti-vax behaviors
“Stephen Gardner, who became Amtrak’s chief executive this year, has received more than $766,000 in short-term incentive bonuses since 2016, more than any other executive.”
800k is a lot of money, but for a CEO in the US that is well below the average. And even if none of the executives got even a single penny that hardly would account for a fraction of infrastructure expansion.
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Investigation disproves Israel claim of Hamas tunnel under Gaza hospital (www.aljazeera.com)
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