Am I drunk or is there literally just one (1) git arguing that “it’s totally not what it seems”? I guess the other downvooters don’t have anything to say. Truth hurts, I suppose.
Ok yog. As per usual you don’t have anything except some ad hominum bs. Anyone can see you history I don’t have to prove anything- you’ve done it to yourself already
At least learn what ad hominem is if you’re going to use it to try and sound smart. What people should be looking at is your post history. Now that’s what an actual propagandist shill looks like.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
prop·a·gan·dist Noun
a person who promotes or publicizes a particular organization or cause.
Which organization or cause am I promoting again? Meanwhile yours is full of anti west bullshit with terrible sources, easily disproven clickbait, and you constantly insulting anyone who dares take the 30 seconds it takes to dismantle your delusional ranting.
Ad hominem would be me saying you’re wrong because of your personal qualities. I’m saying you’re wrong and you’re deplorable not that you’re wrong because you’re deplorable. Ad hominem is actually what you’re doing. You’re trying to discredit my posts by making personal attacks on me, but you never engage with the actual content of my posts. Seems like you’ve taken the whole day here to make a clown of yourself, but failed to take the 30 seconds to address anything I said. Bye troll.
Oh yeah? I’ve already pointed out your posting of disinformation in previous comments. Your response? Blocking me because you knew I was right. Literally half the time you post something the second page of your own source completely discredits your original point. You post clickbait and don’t even bother to read it yourself clown.
I literally gave you the definition of ad hominem and you still fucked it up. You attack character- not position. You have made 0 counters to any arguments I’ve made. Purely attacking me personally. That’s literally the definition of ad hominem. And you literally havent made any attempt at a point in this discussion- so literally nothing to counter. So yeah- goodbye indeed troll. Again.
Literally all you’ve done was make personal attacks on me, and never actually made a single point of your own. You don’t know what ad hominem is, you didn’t have a position to attack dumb ass. People being mean to you isn’t ad hominem. What attempt can there be at a discussion with a troll who screeches about propagandists when presented with facts. You’re a sad clown and you just provide free entertainment for the rest of us. That’s your lot in life.
Buddy you have issues. Literally I’ve pointed out that it’s easy to see whatvyouvare about by looking at your profile. That’s it. Oh also calling you a propagandist… which you are by definition. And again- I literally GAVE YOU THE DEFINITION of ad hominem. Which you don’t like so now you claim I’m the one who doesn’t know what it is. Lol. Literally brain dead.
My position is that people should actually do a bit of research into something before just jumping onto obvious propaganda. I’ve stated that explicitly and implicitly throughout this entire time here. That you can’t figure it out is really a you problem. That you now admit you don’t have a position- when you previously accused me of not addressing any of he points you made just shows you have no idea what’s going on. I’d guess you are the drunk one here.
Please point to the facts you are referring to- I’d love to discuss any that I failed to address earlier
If that’s entertainment for you- well good. Because you have definitely entertained me here. Lol. This is why i say you are so bad at what you do- you say a thing (you dont know what ad hominim is)- someone provides a fact/source/rebuttal (the definition of ad hominem)- and you make personal attacks because you dont like it took 30 seconds to disnantle your argument. So sad mate.
You know you’re allowed to swear on the internet, right? Cry louder, white supremacist propagandist, I think there are still some people who’s eyes aren’t rolling.
Hey buddy anyone can go review your profile to see the truth about you. Or look at you on mastodon, or really any platform as you are a one trick pony apparently
Making your views clear is fine- you posting hundreds of anti-west propaganda woth little to no research and generally from very obviously biased sources is what makes you a propagandist
Except I generally post from mainstream western sources which makes you a liar. You can keep on seething there as much as you like though, cause I’m not going anywhere.
Like I said feel free to look at his history. I mean the literal hundreds of propaganda posts he puts out there speaks for itself. Anyway thus has been fun. You guys prove the point that your only here for the ruzzian propaganda. Enjoy your echo chamber
The fact that any opinion that dissents from the mainstream western political discourse is branded as “propaganda” by people the likes of you demonstrates the virulently xenophobic paranoia that plagues the west (and always has). You are too daft to understand that the person you are talking about is a communist, and his posts reflect his ideas, not the paid interests of a foreign power, the same way it would be idiotic to call you a Ukrainian propagandist for excusing the unapologetic racism of its government officials.
All I’m doing is countering the very obvious bad faith snippet that has been posted. That you frothing at the mouth ruzzian supporters keep spinning it as something it isn’t just proves you live in an echochamber
Why does it matter the “faith” it has? The video is there, and it is not edited. You can think the post has one or another goal but the truth is that this what the news portray has happened. You on the other side keep insisting on the “russian propaganda” meme and saying that what has been said is not what it has been translated as while failing to even provide an alternate translation, so either you do it or you can keep schizo-ranting about the “russian propagandists” that are crawling inside your walls.
plus have a Russian speaking partner to back me.up
PFFFFTTHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dude, you cannot go around searching people’s comments trying to find evil foreign propagandists and denouncing news outlets as unreliable propaganda and then pull out a “source: my wife” as a defense.
So maybe try harder next time?
It smells like sweat and doritos in here. Redditor, I presume?
It’s not my wife. And I can understand a bit of Russian and ukrainian
I can go through peoples history to say people have a bias… because it’s just facts- those things you’d rather not engage with.
And I only call out propaganda sources if they have a verifiable history of producing biased propaganda. If you aren’t one of those people with an agenda then I guess you shouldn’t be offended by it.
Yeah- I know, it’s not the tried and true method of not researching anything and just spouting talking head/russia one but it’s the way things work.
Wife, girlfriend, non-binary partner or anime bodypillow, as if it was any important. You claim people are propagandists for having a political bias and then you go and bring up your partner of all people as a source. Talk about equal standards.
Try harder.
Sorry le kind stranger, would it be trying hard enough if I gave you some wholesum reddit gold?
I bring her into it because she’s a native speaker and I got her translation from it. Far better than you lot doing nothing/bad ai.
I claim people are propagandists if they do nothing but give one sided views on their comments and posts without actually reading/researching the material involved. Easy to see since comment history is a thing.
You asked for an alternate translation- I gave one. You on the other hand have done nothing but prove my point that you don’t actually want to research anything and prefer to drink from the russia one nozzle.
Oh also- try harder because your current amount of effort is pathetic.
Oh also- try harder because your current amount of effort is pathetic.
You think you deserve an effort? It’s been a while since I stopped caring and began to just pull your leg. If you want a serious debate I am afraid you will have to ask Vladislav, the Russian spy hiding under your bed. Have a very wholesum chungus day my good sir.
Hey cool buddy. I mean you care enough to keep posting nonsense. I enjoy pointing out idiocy. If you think what you are writing is somehow better than what I’m writing then good on you.
Yeah- this right here. Thank you for pointing out the propaganda you guys feast on daily. That was exactly my point. Oh except for the part where you said no one said Ukrainians are nazis- plenty of you definitely say that.
That’s just not true. The azov battalion HAD a problem with it but it was mostly dealt with prior to the current conflict. The rest of what you said is more Russian propaganda
Is there a point for us to come up with a response or will you just dismiss it as “Russian propaganda” while assuming everything US outlets say as fact?
Buddy I KNOW us media lies. I also know Russian media lies. I don’t follow US propaganda any more than I do Russian. Sorry you can’t see that for yourself.
I do speak to things I’ve seen and been involved with myself though. I spent significant time in Ukraine. Became familiar with alot of the politics involved.
please man this is embarrassing, I will pick out some extremely concerning quotes if you want, but this was written literally the month right before the conflict went into full swing
1st) buzzfeed 2nd) the whole article is talking about the concern that the azov battalion could gain polotical/social favor by fighting for ukraine … like it did in 2014.
Yes the above battalion was fully of extremists. . Yes right up until the annexation of crimea they had been on a downward trajectory with regard to recruitment, socio and political power. After the intial conflicts in 2014 there was a a resurgence. The us military refused to work with anyone known to have been associated with the battalion and/or far right extremism- so there was kind of a whitewashing that went on internally.
Your war is literally the thing that is giving azov battalion more clout in Ukraine. Whereas if you’d just left it alone ukraine was on track to cleaning up corruption and extremism.
Which is more than likely exactly why russia invaded- the country was headed towards future stability and closer relations to Europe and the west.
In the depressingly binary Marvel movie worldview of the liberal, the only reason not to uncritically kneel down and start kissing the sonnenrad is if you’re already kissing a framed photo of Vladmir Putin instead. Really goes to show why the US “Defense” Department was so eager to sponsor those flicks.
Technically correct- it didn’t as the azove group. It was a few different groups beforehand that was brought together. I don’t remember the names off hand but my point still stands. Russia invaded ukraine twice and that is what keeps azov as a relevant force.
which sounds like you saying that the azov battalion had a problem with nazis and then they got the nazis out of azov, and you would not be the first hapless liberal bootlicker I’ve seen say that because they read articles saying after February 2022. but whatever, I guess you mistyped and you meant that the various nazi groups banded together, and I’m supposed to read your mind and know you mistyped. I’m not arguing about what exactly was happening in 2014, I’m kinda tired of dealing with this debate pervert shit
Nah mate as I said- they were on the track to cleaning up extremism. Already explained how they came together under that name vs them being the same people from other groups beforehand. Then again how they had to kindof clean up their act after crimea. You don’t go from having a problem to suddenly being 100% fixed. It takes time - which russia hasn’t allowed and actively tries to destabilize.
Oh yeah- like russia doesn’t lie about obvious things. Bombing civilians at railways, bombing civilians sheltering under theaters, bombing civilians in maternity wards, bombing civilians in retirement homes etc etc etc.
I’d be willing to bet money someone is deliberately misquoted or changing context of somethig said.
here’s the video, can’t confirm the translation of course but if you want to try and find a russian speaker to translate this for you to disprove us go ahead
Tbf they last posted before I responded, probably havent seen it yet. Still, based on their behavior in the rest of the thread, I’m expecting either silence or some insane goalpost shift
What he said was that Russians aren’t like Ukrainians. More Asian than Ukrainians are and that they think differently.
Context is important and your poorly translated version is NOT what he’s saying. He’s not saying all Asians are subhuman- he’s saying they have a different past and are influenced by it. He’s saying Russians are more violent based on where they come from and the past they’ve had. This is something he hadn’t counted on etc… etc… etc… since this is just a clip I don’t know where he was going with it. But it sounds more like he saying ukrainian military is more humane with regards to how they treat people than the russians.
MY point is that you and your type will just say a thing based purely on propaganda.
I really don’t know where he was going with it. I admit it was probably poorly worded but it definitely wasn’t what you guys are trying to paint it as. I can speculate-as I’ve already done.
I know where he’s going with it, he’s dehumanizing them, there’s no other reason to paint them as “more Asian” it’s literally a fucking Nazi dog whistle that Russians are barbaric Asians
It might be considered racist a bit. I don’t know because I don’t have the full video so not sure where he was headed with it. As I mentioned it seemed like he was setting up to compare how Russian military is treating people less humanely than the ukrainian military.
What he’s definite NOT saying is Asians are subhuman and Russians are Asians and therefore also subhuman.
It’s kind of why I said my initial comment- “oh russophobia isn’t real” is a propaganda technique to try to spread the thoughts that people just hate Russians for Russians sake- when if I take an equally touted stance of all Ukrainians are nazis as being equally ridiculous.
? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Asian cultures in general have a different outlook on things than say… European or American or African. That’s not really a nazi talking point and that you have decided it is really is more of a you problem
Categorizing the world into “European” and “Asiatic” is Nazi shit. Lumping Indians and Arabs and Chinese and Russians all together as one big Asian blob is just racist.
It’s not… I also mentioned Americans and African. All of these are continents full of different people from different races and countries. That you think any one of then is special and is an exception to this is more racist…
Well there sure as shit isn’t an “Asian culture” is there? What the hell would that even mean?
Like I said, lumping Indians and Arabs and Chinese and Russians all together as one big “Asian” blob has no basis in cultural reality. To then go farther and to say that Russians are more like Indians/Arabs/Chinese than they are like Ukrainians is simply incoherent.
Christianity came from Asia. Israel is an Asian country. Think about that for a second.
It’s pretty obvious though that people from different areas of the world have different ideas from each other and tend to have more similar ideas to their neighbors and is influenced by their histories.
You think about it all you want. I can see this was never about actual discussion- you and yours just wanted to pile on another ruzzian propaganda talking point and have your echo chamber.
People from Russia and people from Ukraine are from a pretty fucking similar area of the world and have intertwined histories, wtf are you talking about?
Incoherent. You’re trying so hard to excuse obvious Russophobia and it isn’t working because you’re just… wrong. No everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian agent lol
Nah bud- I’m not the guy who said the thing. I agree he probably worded it poorly. I wouldn’t have said it that way because I agree russia and ukraine are in proximity. I also know russia shares a LOT more proximity with Asia than any European country. I’m also aware russai literally spawned from kyiv. There’s a lot going on there. Which is why i don’t and wouldn’t bring race/location/etc into it in the first place. Especially if my country had a history of racism/corruption/etc. But again I’m not the one saying it.
What he said vs what you guys are trying to make it is ALSO not something I would do if my country was well-known world wide for making thin propaganda pieces out of the tiniest click bait bullshit.
The people in here all live in lemmygrad /comrade/etc and can’t handle when bullshit propaganda gets pulled out and called out. That’s you. Russian or otherwise you have an agenda and aren’t actually up for doing research into a thing as long as it supports your narrative.
Well I wouldn’t call my enemies Asians and assert my own European identity if I was being accused of being a Nazi.
It seems you basically agree he said the wrong thing. I have no idea why you’re defending him - if it’s not racism, it’s at least xenophobic. “They are fundamentally different from us” isn’t always Nazi shit, but it’s always wrong!
my country
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a foreign agent!”
Fuck off. I make car parts in Iowa. No one is paying me to argue with you, I came to these conclusions all on my own.
I’m not on Russia’s side. I’m against the war.
I’m just against both sides of the war. You can do that, you know?
Had me in the first half- I was all set to say now you get it. Then you went right back off the deep end. You live in commutopia and fail to use critical thinking. The comment about my country was directed at Ukraine and russia and there supporters/etc. if you identify as one that’s on you.
Yeah racism is wrong regardless. No it doesn’t default into making you a nazi. It makes you flawed like everyone else. But it sur isn’t “OMG UR A NAZI”
I haven’t checked everyone’s in here but everyone I have checked has very poignant comment histories- so, so far, it’s accurate to say that everyone in here arguing isn’t here for anything except more Russian propaganda
I’m in the US, so it’s absolutely pointless for me to speak out against Russia. I have zero input on that side of the war. I’m an irrelevant bystander as far as Russia is concerned. What’s the point of having a fair and balanced comment history?
But I sure as shit have input on this side of the war! I speak to other English speakers about the need to end the war from our side because they might listen. I put my efforts into pointing out that we are supporting extreme nationalists and racists, because on top of being factually true it highlights the blowback potential.
So don’t be surprised when this turns out just like Afghanistan with the US funding extremists against Russia that then turn around and attack the US.
How very myopic of you. Us isn’t supporting a resistance or terrorist group- its supporting the legitimate autonomous government against an imperialistic power grab from a dying last gasp from russia.
History does repeat itself and traditionally russia goes into steep declines after failed power grabs. I see no reason this will be different.
As for a balanced comment history- it would show you actually think about a thing rather than latching onto propaganda talking points that fit a preconceived narrative.
Oh yeah totally. Cause as we all know there’s definitely no such thing as continents and it’s totally a racial thing that they exist at all. Lol. Projection much?
Will you listen to yourself projecting European raciasm onto your enemies? No one has ever said Ukrainians are Nazis nor have they have ever said the existence of Nazis in Ukraine is a function of their culture and their genetics. What we have said is that Ukraine has neo-Nazi movements in it that trace their lineage all the back to the Third Reich and that the US has armed, funded, trained, and organized these Nazi groups because they are useful to US strategic aims. We then couple that with the historical fact that the US has voted against the resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazis at the UN multiple times, and we show how the “democratic” government that was ushered in on a US-backed coup incorporated the Nazi elements, giving them legitimacy, political cover, access to more weapons, training, and funding, and sending a clear signal to the world that Nazism is both acceptable and useful in the battle for total European dominance of the region as part of the larger US project for total domination of the world, which the US inherited from European colonial powers.
The de-nazification that we wish to see in Ukraine is the destruction of the support systems that enable these neo-Nazis to continue to operate, expand, recruit, and propagandize.
None of this is based on anything even resembling the racism of the West, and to suggest as much as to tell on yourself how much you believe the Western propaganda that everyone acts like the West. It’s just not true.
Now you see, THIS is whataboutism. The point here is that we have a leader in the current Ukrainian government who comes out and says that he considers Russians to be subhuman. You come up with a baseless claim that we think all Ukrainians are nazis. We think that the current government of Ukraine is dangerously far right and descended from actual nazi collaborators. You don’t want to hear it because it doesn’t fit your world view.
You might also be interested that I translated it using AI. Results weren’t great, but language used around the 26 second mark matches the translation in the tweet pretty well. You can do this yourself instead of just calling it fake and lashing out at the left.
I didn’t spend too much time on it, and it could probably be done better. I just used free web tools to download the video and autogenerate subtitles. The text at the section I mentioned says this:
с азиатами наизусть меньше и меньше культура и
ценности нашей ключевой минус России.
Fed into google translate, we get this:
with Asians by heart less and less culture and
the values of our key disadvantage of Russia.
Again, results weren’t great (which is why I didn’t post them the first time. Someone with more time on their hands could do better). But it hits a lot of the same words as the native speaker’s quote, and it seems to indicate something racist is being said. The first auto-subtitler I used was completely useless, the second was “good enough” for my purposes. I have no reason at all to believe that the original translation was fake, and this didn’t contradict the original translation.
If I were to try a third time, I would probably upload it to youtube and try using their tools, but I didn’t really want to upload it to my youtube account. Google’s natural language processing is pretty good.
Buddy reddit/r/ russia was full of you like minded nutjobs calling Ukrainians nazis. There’s tons of video clips of the same. Your poorly translated version is NOT what he’s saying. Context matters and you getting a snippet of it is not what’s being said.
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