The Hamas attack on civilians does not justify the Israeli attack on civilians and vice versa. There is little comfort for the victims of these attacks when you say it was an accident as part of war.
Very hard to shake out the hatred once you have been brought up with it. People are fed with hatred from their infancy, they breathe hatred every day, they dream of hearted every night. France and Germany did this for two generations and it brought WW1. Germany and Japan did it again in the 20s and 30s and it brought WW2. Hamas, Likoud, Hezbollah and Republicans are feeding the same hatred to their members.
I’m sure the ICC is keeping a close eye on what transpires during this war. Perhaps, it’s too much to ask that the perpetrators of war crimes face the consequences of their decisions.
49: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as
deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the
territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country,
occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or
partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or
imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not
involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of
the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is
impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall
be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area
in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations
shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper
accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that
the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene,
health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family
are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and
evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an
area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security
of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its
own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
I don't hate Israel, in fact I think it is in America's best interest to protect our spy network assets. Though, I will not stand for people making misleading statements about war crimes. We can do better.
If you are naive enough to think that a bombing a “jam-packed refugee camp” was an honest mistake, then I have a bridge to sell you, going very very cheap.
Blowing up buildings and jam-packed refugee camps, knowing fully well that it’ll create mass civilian casualties is a war crime. And I’d rather take the word of experts rather than a nobody over this.
Quoting from the article itself
But human rights groups have previously said that Israel’s pattern of deadly attacks on residential homes display a disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians and argued they may amount to war crimes.
Human Rights Watch on Tuesday accused the Israeli military of carrying out attacks that “apparently amount to war crimes” during an 11-day war in May against the Hamas militant group.
The international human rights organization issued its conclusions after investigating three Israeli airstrikes that it said killed 62 Palestinian civilians. It said “there were no evident military targets in the vicinity” of the attacks.
So yeah, brush it off as “Mistakes happen” somewhere else
My original comment never explicitly called out Israel nor Hamas, and for good reason. You’re the one that claimed, and I quote, “read the article, there was no war crime”. The line I quoted was pulled directly from the article.
I’m sure now you will be correcting your original claim, right?
No, YOU were talking about Israel. My comment was “clearly” as general as I could make it. You replied to MY original comment, the onus is on you to understand the subject of my comment.
Instead of being intellectually honest about your mixup, you’re re-defining the goal posts. You challenged me to find a single part in the article that would classify as a war crime and to also provide the exact war crime committed. I did exactly that, as requested.
Just keep moving the goal posts, that’s fine. I’m not jumping through any more of your hoops. You’ve proven yourself as intellectually dishonest. I submitted to one of your challenges, and when I met it you just doubled down. For me, there’s no point continuing this discussion after this.
Israel isn’t exactly operating with improvised explosives. Israel is one of the most well-funded militaries in the region and has enough Western guided munitions to fend off all their neighbours.
Either Western munitions are absolute garbage or Israel is going “oopsie doopsie I totally didn’t see those civilians!”
Exactly, a lot of the time it just feels like the flavour of the moment. Something is better than nothing however and whataboutism isn’t a valid argument against, but can be used to point out hypocrisy.
Sure they did. They invaded the part of Aremina that was literally inside Azerbaijan’s borders, because Armenia seized it through conquest a few decades back after the USSR’s collapse, and proceeded with a “population exchange”.
Btw how did “population exchange” become popularized to use instead of ethnic cleansing? I genuinely don’t know, but I’ve seen it alot lately.
I mean Azerbaijan have invaded Armenia proper in the past in skirmishes, but Armenia also invaded Azerbaijan and gained territory from it… They’ve also both committed genocide against each other, with the region in the news recently for Armenians being expelled/killed/leaving following Azerbaijan recapturing it only being majority Armenian due to the Azeris being expelled/killed/leaving in the 90s…
In reality it’s a situation very similar to Israel/Palestine where regardless of how it started/what the “original” status of the land was, both sides are so overwhelmingly awful in their actions that there’s no good guy, but of the four places mentioned only Palestine (Hamas really) has such a disdain for all people, even their own, that they stand out as worse than the others to me
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