intensely_human,

The why’d they remove their evil canary clause from their mission statement

onlinepersona,

You’re not evil, you’re just a cunt 🤷

tony,

So companies are people when it’s convenient for them to be so, and ‘just a business’ when it isn’t.

AceFuzzLord,

Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two pictures.

Sundari: Lol, obviously the left usess g255 and the right side has g254 in their RGB codes. Can you not tell the difference?

Starkstruck,

No one thinks they’re the bad guy. That doesn’t change the fact that their actions speak for themselves.

Befernafardofo,

Slavery was just business at some point, what kind of justification is this?!

intensely_human,

But it wasn’t just business. It was also slavery.

An endeavor that’s just business requires all the people involved to be doing business.

irreticent,

Obviously you’ve never met anyone in middle management.

RememberTheApollo_,

No, businesses are people. Corporations have fought to make that a distinction. So therefore it can be evil. Can’t have it both ways.

ChaoticEntropy,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Oh Mitt Romney, what a legacy.

Etterra,

It can be two things, jackass.

havokdj,

You gotta understand that from the mindsets of the extremely rich, there are no multipurpose objects.

Lemminary,

Don’t employees count as multipurpose objects?

havokdj,

No.

For instance, IT is “computer guy”, HR is “people controller”, finance is “money handler”

Nothing to these people count as a multipurpose object either, when they hear that there is an issue with company WAN, they will expect a help desk worker to pitch in because it is a “computer problem”.

m13,

Capitalism is a curse that instills the most evil traits in all of humanity.

Etterra,

Worse; it rewards them.

Gabu,

Good argument for dismantling Google and any other company of similar size.

kaibae,

Okay. Google isn’t evil, business is.

el_bhm,

Is business in the room with us right now?

pozbo,
@pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

It is certainly more present than your wit.

el_bhm,

I have a website for you to check out. Good for kneejerk reactions and insult slinging.

pozbo,
@pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

Is your website in the room with us now?

LavaPlanet,

That is exactly what he’s saying.

kaibae,

Death to business!!

girthero,

The ol’ don’t hate the player, hate the game defense.

nomecks,

A business is only as moral as its least moral shareholder. Shareholder Primacy is the law.

Paradachshund,

We can and should no longer accept “it’s just good business” as justification for morally reprehensible actions.

some_designer_dude,

Well regulations try to do that but somehow they’re always one step ahead 🧐

LavaPlanet,

(with well placed dollars, to the politicians, supposed to set those regulations, “just weaken this corner here, bud, here’s a small percentage of the profits we will make if you do that”)

hitmyspot,

Accepting it is what makes it good business. We stop accepting it, it costs money and then it’s no longer good business.

Business is purely profit driven. We need to make morally wrong things costly. Orders of magnitude more costly than doing the right thing.

Blame the ayer AND fix the game.

Paradachshund,

While I definitely agree with parts of this, that making it costly to do amoral things would be good, I have to say that the rest is exactly what I’m calling out. By saying that profit is the only goal of business, and that being purely profit-driven is an amoral position, we give the greedy and amoral a tremendous free pass. We blame the victims, consumers, because they continue to support these greedy people with their money, when we should be holding the greedy fully accountable. They are the problem and existing purely for greed is not an amoral state of being. It is quite the opposite, and that is what we must no longer accept.

No offense to you, I don’t think you mean any harm by your comment, but it served as a good example of the mindset I am trying to address.

hitmyspot,

Your mistake is to assign any portion of the action to a corporation. They are a legal entity, sure, but they are an empty vessel. They don’t have morals or choice or a conscience. People do. The people doing amoral things are incentivised to do so. They make only a part of the corporation. That’s the point. To act as a collective, and as a shield.

Remove the incentive for the individuals and for the entity and the problem disappears. It’s not the fault of consumers. It’s a fault of the system. Change the system. Consumers can play a part in that, but that doesn’t make them to blame.

Paradachshund,

I am aiming my criticism at the individuals, so we agree on that. I would also love to see the incentives change, but no offense, that’s a hand wave. There’s nothing actionable in what you said. Standing up and saying no more is action, and something we can accomplish as individuals. Change comes from people, not from systems. Systems can only change once the people change.

hitmyspot,

“No more” is also a hand wave, lol.

I’m saying change the incentives. That means fines in multiples of the potential profit. I’m saying fines for individuals, not just companies.

I’m saying put the bad actors out of business with the fines. So the other companies are incentivised not to do it, or they die.

I’m saying stand up and say no, so it’s a pr nightmare and loss for companies to encroach on our privacies and rights. I’m saying fines for data breaches. Fines for misusing data. Fines for using our likeness.

Paradachshund,

All I can say is I really agree with your vision, and while I don’t see a path to get there in the current system, especially as individuals, I hope we can.

hitmyspot,

Fingers crossed. In the technology space, the path for profitability seems to be to restrict competition and competitor traction.

Facebook, Google et Al don’t produce a physical product. There is no reason they should be “sticky” as they are. It’s on purpose. They design their products to make it hard to switch from habit and dopamine fixes rather than quality of product. That manipulation should be punishable.

I think freedom of movement of data should be a requirement. Including using open standards.

We should also have open information. Companies know how much they made in advertising off users. Users should be aware. It might be eye opening and make more people question the service.

spudwart,

“Nothing Personal evil, Kid”

“Just Business”

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, so that’s why they changed their slogan from “don’t be evil” to “don’t not be a business.”

warmaster,

“Google - Business with electrolytes”

ada,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s what shareholders crave

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