New Reddit refugee here. Question on moderation

Hi! I came here looking for an alternative to Reddit which is less of a liberal echo chamber. It looks good, even more responsive. But I wonder, how is the moderation here? Biggest problem I have with Reddit is that it is becoming increasingly impossible to have discussions about “sensitive topics”. Even if you are being civil, there is a chance you will just straight out get banned for saying something which liberals do not like. How does Lemmy compare? Thanks.

ZenGrammy,

OP has received their answer, and I don’t think it would be productive to continue this discussion here, so I am locking the post.

blanketswithsmallpox,
@blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social avatar

Kwekkie: Am I free to spew hate here?

Everyone: NO!

Kwekkie: Wtf I'm just asking questions. Damn liberal echo chambers.

Kerrigor,
@Kerrigor@kbin.social avatar

Oh get lost, homophobic asshole.

nickwitha_k,

If you mean “liberal” as in neo-liberalism, then, you’ll probably be happy throughout most of the Fediverse. If you mean “liberal” referring to non-right-wing, you’re gonna have a bad time. The software behind Lemmy is created by Marxist-Leninists and much of Lemmy is rather leftist and is quick to stand up against abuse against marginalized groups.

kwekkie,

That is helpful, thanks. Any alternatives? If it was just about the political stance you could say Twitter, but it doesn’t have the structure which Reddit has. You mostly follow people which makes the content sort of random, and mostly about politics in my experience. I like having groups which are about specific topics, like subreddits are.

nickwitha_k,

Much of the Fediverse is developed by people who are pretty left-of-center, as it is based in Free, Open-Source Software, which is itself based upon left-of-center philosophy. As another commentor mentioned, you’ll probably find some instances that are politically aligned with you but have been de-federated from much of the rest of the Fediverse for hate speech and encouraging terrorism.

However, as I mentioned exclusion is pretty directly in conflict with FOSS philosophies so, they are going to be small echo chambers and you might have but luck with proprietary platforms run by free speech absolutists.

kwekkie,

I don’t need a community to be “politically aligned” with me, I want it to be neutral. But the problem is, it seems like that is not possible. Because when I say “you should be able to say anything, as long as you’re civil” that would already be considered a political stance. Because libs are going to say that that would be “allowing hate speech”.

nickwitha_k,

Paradox of Tolerance. Allowing hateful, marginalizing speech to be unchecked increases measurable harm to marginalized groups. Neutrality is only ever siding against the oppressed.

mo_ztt,
@mo_ztt@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had plenty of unpopular-opinion arguments here (example) and I’ve literally never had a post or comment removed that I know of. On reddit it happened several times from “both sides” of the traditional spectrum. I.e. the mods here are significantly less ban-happy than they were on reddit (although you’ll definitely get downvoted for saying certain things depending on which community / which instance). Also, because of the smaller size and the UI differences it actually doesn’t make too much difference if you get downvoted – your stuff won’t get hidden; it’ll just get a sort of scarlet letter of WE DON’T LIKE THIS MAN SAYING THIS, but everyone can still read it.

kwekkie,

That is a good answer, thanks.

slazer2au,

Different lemmy servers have different rules. If you find you do not like the rules of one server you can simply delete your account and make a new account on another server and sign back up for the same communities.

To view what other Lemmy servers are linked check out the instances page on the footer of each page. example: lemmy.world/instances

kwekkie,

In theory that would go for subreddits as well. But that’s not the whole story. I got suspended from ALL of Reddit because of “hate speech”. Not just the subreddit. I think it might be because users reported the comment, but I’m not sure.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wtf is “liberal”?

Liberal as in Libertarian(freedom liking)? Then no, this is the most liberal place and system you can find.

kwekkie,

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    mancy,
    @mancy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Imagine saying a woman isn’t a woman and thinking you’re being civil.

    You’ll find an instance that fits your liking though, I’m sure. Most other instances won’t be federated with it but you don’t want to live in our “liberal echo chamber” anyway.

    kwekkie,

    Yes, that would be civil. It’s just an opinion. It is not attacking or name calling.

    But let me ask you this: if you agree with all this, why did you come here then? Reddit would be great for you then, no?

    yolobrolofosholo,

    Believe it or not, there are more factors than political views…

    nickwitha_k,

    Opinions are for things like whether pineapple belongs on pizza, not whether people deserve the right to exist or have equal rights.

    kwekkie,

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    800XL,

    So you truly believe whether or not someone is allowed to exist is an opinion and not a right?

    kwekkie,

    What is a right? We are talking about opinions vs. facts. Yes, it is your opinion that people have the right to do or have something or not.

    800XL,

    And if that thing is life you believe it is the personal opinion of others that is the final decider?

    Are you an American?

    nickwitha_k,

    Yeah… You’re not going to have a good time with expressing those kinds of views here or through most of the Fediverse. Most of us are not willing to tolerate proto-genocidal opinions, which is what you appear to be espousing, drawn to its logical conclusion.

    kwekkie,

    So you’re saying that liberals can’t avoid thinking in absolutes? Which means I just have to accept that discussions with them are impossible? I know there are exceptions though, you already seem to be better than most.

    mancy,
    @mancy@lemmy.ca avatar

    If you think Lemmy by default is a safe haven for conservative bigots then you’re gonna be very disappointed.

    kwekkie,

    I do not want a safe haven, I want a place where things can be discussed freely. But what is your answer to my question? Why do you or why do liberals come here if it is not about the politics?

    mancy,
    @mancy@lemmy.ca avatar

    I didn’t realize liberals must congregate on Reddit. I must have missed that memo.

    I left Reddit for many reasons, and I don’t owe you an explanation on any of them.

    kwekkie,

    Lol luckily you’re not being defensive about some totally trivial thing.

    mancy,
    @mancy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Yes I’m a liberal snowflake 🥲 thank you for seeing me.

    thisNotMyName,

    Well you can discuss everything here - as long as you stay civil. There are not even worthless internet points to lose. But from what I’ve read from your comments here, you will face different opinions and you may should thinking about them and your own, too

    kwekkie,

    That’s fine.

    Rainhall,

    I just came here because Reddit torpedoed third-party apps.

    dual_sport_dork,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    ITT: OP discovers that his problem actually is just that his opinions are odious.

    kwekkie,

    You’re right, I’m totally a liberal now. You guys converted me. Thanks so much.

    NocturnalMorning,

    That’s because it’s backed up by science dude. Go be a bigot somewhere else.

    kwekkie,

    Doesn’t matter, even IF that were true, it still doesn’t make it “hate speech”.

    NocturnalMorning,

    Would you even listen if someone linked peer reviewed research to you? Sounds like you’re just looking for your own echochamber to reinforce your own belief system (which is ironically what you say you’re trying to get away from)

    kwekkie,

    Dude your whole way of reacting shows exactly what I hate, and want to get away from. You are not even responding to what I said, instead you start going into the trans debate itself because you want to assert your stance so much.

    NocturnalMorning,

    Yeah, you’re right, I’m going to call out assholes who think trans people don’t have a right to exist. Have fun being a bigot.

    kwekkie,

    You don’t seem to realize that this kind of behaviour only makes it worse. Every time something like this happens, I hate the whole thing a little bit more. And that goes for a lot of people, not just me. Do with that what you like.

    Ganbat, (edited )

    “When people tell me I’m wrong and don’t accept me for saying the existence of trans people is a problem, it only makes me hate them more!”

    Bro fuck off.

    NocturnalMorning,

    I don’t have to be accepting of your intolerance. That’s on you dude. You showed up here asking questions, not the other way around.

    800XL,

    What is your definition of hate speech?

    kwekkie,

    I don’t really have a definition for that, it’s a liberal term I think. I think people just have to be civil and not jerks, that’s the basic rule. But if people are going to be sensitive to certain opinions and standpoints, those people are going to want to say that those standpoints are “hate speech”. That is the whole problem.

    Ganbat,

    Refusing to accept someone and trying to force your own opinion on them is hate no matter how “civil” you think you’re being.

    reanmachine,

    I’ll just leave this here:

    xkcd.com/1357/

    danielton,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar

    So… I’m a centrist who gets crap here for believing everybody raises at least some valid points…

    But fuck off with the homophobic bullshit. This ain’t the place for you. LGBT rights are human rights. End of discussion.

    Marduk73,

    Banned

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