“Get things done” is incredibly baby-brained liberal idealism. Worse, it’s awfully close to an Umberto Eco warning signal about “action for action’s sake” which coincides with liberal idealism. That’s why so much western entertainment is loaded with “the Adults In The Room” who “Get Shit Done” and that shit getting done is usually atrocities justified by the plot.
I work with a group based in India. They have a completely different culture around messaging. Things I would consider worthy of an email comes as a message from them (i.e. doesn't need immediate attention/ escalation).
They are also very formal when initiating new messages, almost like they're following the same social standards as if they met you in the hallway (e g. Hi, how are you? Btw, I have this thing I need to talk to you about.). Mind you, this is all the time after exchanging dozens of messages a day.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, just lends some credence to what Musk said.
In particular, see the bits on ‘Net neutrality criticism’ and ‘Impact’
TLDR: Accessing Facebook is easier or even free, accessing the rest of the internet costs money. Thus making it so poorer communities only use Facebook, and say that “Facebook is the Internet”
Few quotes:
In 2015, researchers evaluating how Facebook Zero shapes information and communication technology use in the developing world found that 11% of Indonesians who said they used Facebook also said they did not use the Internet. 65% of Nigerians, 61% of Indonesians, and 58% of Indians agree with the statement that “Facebook is the Internet”
[Internet.org] has been criticized for violating net neutrality, and by handpicking internet services that are included, for discriminating against companies not in the list, including competitors of Meta Platforms’ subsidiary Facebook.[5][6] In February 2016, regulators banned the Free Basics service in India based on “Prohibition of Discriminatory Tariffs for Data Services Regulations”.[7] The Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI) accused Facebook of failing to pass on the four questions in the regulator’s consultation paper and also blocking access to TRAI’s designated email for feedback on Free Basics.[8][9] On February 11, 2016, Facebook withdrew the Free Basics platform from India.[10] In July 2017, Global Voices published the widespread[11][12] report[13][14] “Free Basics in Real Life” analyzing its practices in Africa, Asia and Latin America, and concluding it violates net neutrality, focuses on “Western corporate content”,[11] and overall “it’s not even very helpful”.[12]
Here is a list of the countries, at least for Facebook Zero:
List of countriesJordan: Zain Jordan Albania: Telekom Albania; Vodafone Albania Algeria: Djezzy;[14] Mobilis Angola: Unitel S.A. Bosnia and Herzegovina: ERONET Bangladesh: Grameenphone Benin: MTN Group Cameroon: MTN Group Canada: Freedom Mobile Croatia: Bonbon;[15] Hrvatski Telekom;[16] MultiPlus Mobile;[17] Simpa;[18] Tomato;[19] Vipnet El Salvador: Movistar Fiji: Digicel France: SFR Germany: E-Plus[20] Ortel Greece: WIND Hellas[21] Georgia: MagtiCom Guinea: MTN Group Indonesia: XL Axiata Kenya: Airtel Kenya Kosovo: iPKO Malaysia: DiGi Morocco: Maroc Telecom Nepal: Ncell[22] Pakistan: Telenor Pakistan; Jazz Pakistan, Zong Pakistan[23][24][25][26] Palestine: Jawwal[27] Panama: Cable & Wireless Communications Philippines: Globe Telecom, Smart,[28] Poland: Play[29] Qatar: Vodafone Qatar Saudi Arabia: Saudi Telecom Company[30] South Africa: CellC (Discontinued the service), Vodacom, MTN Group Suriname: Digicel Trinidad and Tobago: Digicel United Arab Emirates: Du[31] United Kingdom: Three Zimbabwe: Telecel Zimbabwe Zambia: Airtel Zambia
Nearly everyone I know from India uses WhatsApp so this statement checks out. I wish my own friends and family would stop using iMessage/SMS and use something like Signal. The only other app they use is Snapchat and I kinda hate that one.
When Zuckerberg is calling a country a world leader and other countries are accusing that country of killing their citizens on their own soil it should be mentioned.
Fellow Canadian here. Aside from the obvious troll farms I’m wondering shouldn’t Indians be more concerned of these kind of conduct than others? If the world turns a blind eye imagine in the future if the Indian state label you as a “terrorist” for saying something they don’t like, you are not even safe even if you managed to get out of the country.
Hey, I kind of understand what this user is saying and why they are upset.
I honestly think their reaction was them being embarrassed about what happened and took it out on me because I was there.
I do hope that they do end up understanding that there will probably never be concrete proof of these allegations but I do believe that Canada must have a pretty good idea of what happened to even open this Pandora’s Box at all.
I do understand the reaction. I have relatives in China that believe the HK protestors are foreign spies and a threat to national security that needs to be hunted down. They also thinks the political interference scandal is all made up by the Canadian government. If that’s the information you hear day in and day out then it’s natural that you believe in it and become upset when your reality is getting challenged.
I also agree with you on the last part. It doesn’t make sense for Trudeau to take on India for no reason at this point in time when India is crucial to the West in the Indo-Pacific strategy. Unless the matter is serious he has nothing to gain and everything to lose.
I haven’t looked into their code yet but that’s an interesting thought. I wonder if you can fork their code and operate an instance where private messages are disabled.
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