Tooden,
@Tooden@aus.social avatar

@andrewporter Plus, it's author is Simon Baron-Cohen - renowned misogynist; rumoured to be friend of TERFs & eugenicists. @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

Autistrain,
@Autistrain@neurodifferent.me avatar

Baron-Cohen is ableist. The studies never made sense. It's to know why we are autistics so he can fix us for whatever reason (I guess glory). It's not better and just like ABA want to fix us. The last research he wanted to conduct on DNA looks a lot like eugenism.

@Tooden
@andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

Tooden,
@Tooden@aus.social avatar

@Autistrain Ableist, sexist, racist, bigoted. Absolutely seething with prejudice. Of course he will defend his erroneous theories. Of course he wants glory. His job, though, depends on him publishing 'new' findings every so often. @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@Tooden @Autistrain @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder I saw this out of context and thought you were describing Trump right up until the last sentence. Nope! SBC

Autistrain,
@Autistrain@neurodifferent.me avatar

A sort of "Trump" of the science on autism.
@hosford42
@Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@Autistrain @Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder I wonder where "The Shat" fits into all this. I can't even watch the original Star Trek anymore. He ruined it for me.

ScottSoCal,
@ScottSoCal@computerfairi.es avatar

@hosford42

I'm shocked you'd feel that way about such a Great Actor. Just shocked.

@Autistrain @Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

Shatner, being Shatner.

Tooden,
@Tooden@aus.social avatar

@hosford42 Hang on a sec. What's Shatner had to say about Autism?@Autistrain @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

jenandra,
@jenandra@neurodiversity-in.au avatar

@Tooden @hosford42 @Autistrain @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder He defended ABA and blocked adult autistics who tried to reason with him.

hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@jenandra @Tooden @Autistrain @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder He did much worse than that. He would repeatedly quote tweet autistic people who disagreed with him, claiming they weren't really autistic if they could participate in the conversation, and send his millions of followers to attack them. Also, he's a shill for AutismSpeaks. He'd rather look good to non-autistic people by "helping" those poor lost children than actually do good by any of us, to the extent that he's willing to actively harm any of us who question his magnanimous, benevolent narrative.

hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@jenandra @Tooden @Autistrain @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder He was known to search his own name and do this quote tweeting thing even to people who didn't directly confront him. That's why I call him "The Shat" now, and never use his actual name. He's a real piece of Shatn*r.

jenandra,
@jenandra@neurodiversity-in.au avatar

@hosford42 @Tooden @Autistrain @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder Ugh. I unfollowed him when I saw him defend ABA (he claimed to have an autistic nephew? grandson? something like that) and didn't keep up, so I thought he was more like misguided and stubborn as old white men who have always been told that they're right about everything are wont to be. Seems he's really malevolent instead.

hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@jenandra @Tooden @Autistrain @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder I never followed him in the first place. I just saw the aftermath among my mutuals and those on the hashtag...repeatedly. He regularly gave real autistic people meltdowns there. One of the few autism-associated figures I despise as much as SBC and Andrew Wakefield. What he lacks in numbers harmed, he makes up for with severity and intentionality.

Autistrain,
@Autistrain@neurodifferent.me avatar

Having an autistic relative doesn't protect you to be a bad person about autism. In fact, I meet so many people with autists in their family who believed in fixing the autists and they had bad behaviors with the autists. The worst is they don't want to listen and they know better than you (the classic!)

@jenandra
@hosford42 @Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @sentient_water @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

sentient_water,
@sentient_water@neurodifferent.me avatar

@Autistrain @jenandra @hosford42 @Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder Yeah the types who have an autistic nephew or even kid who is autistic are often the worst. "You can't be autistic you're NOTHING like my 5 year old son!" "Yes because I'm a middle aged man & EVERYONE is different."

markusl,
@markusl@fosstodon.org avatar

@sentient_water

Thanks! That's really good advice.

I was already planning to keep quiet about it at work, and you've confirmed my decision.

I do think I need to be open to family, because I have a young relative whose behaviour I now interpret as autistic meltdown followed by shutdown. His life will be better if he gets diagnosed 40 years younger than I did.

@Autistrain @jenandra @hosford42 @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

sentient_water,
@sentient_water@neurodifferent.me avatar

@markusl @Autistrain @jenandra @hosford42 @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder It's very much a personal thing. One thing that I might be different to many people on is the idea that we need to be diagnosed as soon as possible. The kid doesn't understand & I have noticed this in real life. Those who were diagnosed very early in life, have been shaped by others' limited expectations of them.

They've been told, they'll NEVER have friends or relationships, live independently, have a career & dutifully they are despite them being intelligent, kind & funny.

To quote one of my favourite authors,
"Argue for your limitations & sure enough, they're yours."

I know I struggled enormously going through my life unaware of my neuro type but I also lived an incredibly adventurous, loving, intimate & fun life too.

Autistrain,
@Autistrain@neurodifferent.me avatar

I can second this about the diagnosed child. I saw two groups. It's not two closed groups. The first with an amazing support who know their limits, learned about themselves and about autism. You see the self determination, the good strategies, etc. Sadly, it's a minority.

The second is where child were told they will not be able to do this, this and this. Professionals and parents use autism as an excuse. Later, the child, now teenager or adult, use autism as an excuse too. Or worst, professional and parent didn't talk about autism at all or want to fix the kid. These child later in the teenage years don't know about themselves and who they are. They struggle a lot and often refuse to learn about themselves because they have to be like the others.

The good news is that people go from the second to the first group. With the struggles and the time, people change their mind and are learning about autism.

@sentient_water
@markusl @jenandra @hosford42 @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@Autistrain @sentient_water @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder This is why I haven't taken my kids in to be diagnosed, but I have had the neurodiversity talk with them. They all know I'm autistic, that it's okay to be different, and that there's a good chance they are different, too. We intentionally celebrate our unique ways of approaching life, and our diverse talents. I think having this understanding is far more important than having a diagnosis. It establishes a framework within which you can find your own value as a person regardless of which type of mind you turn out to have.

One of my daughters did get diagnosed with dyslexia because it was relevant to school. Her favorite subject is now reading. :D Turns out she's quite good at it, but she has to approach it differently from most. To my knowledge, not once has she felt inferior about it. I consider this a major success.

sentient_water,
@sentient_water@neurodifferent.me avatar
hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@sentient_water @Autistrain @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder That is probably the single greatest complement anybody has ever given me. I'm not kidding, I got teary. Thanks!

I have a lot of insecurity about it. Being told you do things wrong your whole life, and then becoming a caretaker for little human beings who are totally dependent on you, leads you to question every decision you ever make, and your own adequacy to every task.

CatHat,
@CatHat@mstdn.party avatar

@hosford42 @sentient_water @Autistrain @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder You seem to have a solid grasp. All kids need a dad like that.
ESPECIALLY ND ones. 😍

hosford42,
@hosford42@techhub.social avatar

@CatHat @sentient_water @Autistrain @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder And now I'm experiencing complement awkwardness. lol

sentient_water,
@sentient_water@neurodifferent.me avatar

@hosford42 @CatHat @Autistrain @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder My best friend IRL life not so long ago said he also struggled with my compliments. He's also an amazing dad. I told him they're not compliments, they're facts.

nellie_m,
@nellie_m@autisticpri.de avatar

@hosford42 @sentient_water @Autistrain @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

Knowing and accepting your insecurity about parenthood is one of the things that set you apart from most parents. Mine certainly never admitted it, not even to themselves. Instead, they insisted on being right, always. That way they didn’t have to feel insecure.

sentient_water,
@sentient_water@neurodifferent.me avatar

@hosford42 @Autistrain @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder I wish someone had said to me what you told your kids. Whenever I see people doubting themselves & I see they've raised to be kind, creative, clever & compassionate the phrase "You will know them by their fruits."

Autistrain,
@Autistrain@neurodifferent.me avatar

Yes, the acceptation of the differences is important and more than a diagnosis. The best would be an inclusive world without diagnosis, celebrating the differences of each of us.

@hosford42 @sentient_water @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

sentient_water,
@sentient_water@neurodifferent.me avatar

@Autistrain @hosford42 @markusl @jenandra @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @ginsterbusch @dpnash @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder I've been thinking about this. I would love to stop using the word diagnosis. I thought 'recognise' might do it. "I recognised myself as autistic."

dpnash,
@dpnash@mastodon.online avatar

@Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @sentient_water @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder SBC and “experts” like him are one of the main reasons genuine understanding of “autism” and #ActuallyAutistic people was so rare prior to the 2010s, with tragic results for all sorts of people.

dpnash,
@dpnash@mastodon.online avatar

@Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @ginsterbusch @sentient_water @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder In my own case, I have been estranged from my family of origin for almost 15 years because one member was absolutely adamant that something I was doing was not only wrong, but not something I could be choosing to do (I.e., someone was roping me into it), and this arose largely from believing similar things to SBC.

ginsterbusch,
@ginsterbusch@kosmos.social avatar
AlisonW,
@AlisonW@fedimon.uk avatar

@ginsterbusch @dpnash @Tooden @andrewporter @markusl @cwebber @sentient_water @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder
In this instance I expect "Simon Baron-Cohen" rather than Single Board Computer!

markusl,
@markusl@fosstodon.org avatar

@AlisonW

Yes. I keep mentally hearing "Sacha Baron Cohen", who's not known for breakthroughs in the study of neurology! 😆

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacha_Baron_Cohen

@ginsterbusch @dpnash @Tooden @andrewporter @cwebber @sentient_water @hosford42 @actuallyautistic @neurodiversity @pathfinder

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