Is cross fediverse impersonation ok?

the user sh.itjust.works/u/goat appears to be impersonating the mastodon user hellsite.site/@goat

same profile picture, name, however the sh.itjust.works user has decided to create a hate community, sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad as well as spreading misinformation about the lemmy developers.

I would normally just block and move on but I find it dangerous to allow someone to impersonate someone else on the fediverse (an admin too) and begin starting trouble.

Eldritch,

Having the same screen name or profile picture is one thing. Having both and using them to attack or harass the person that had them first or their ideology. That’s indefensible. I would hope any decent admin would block it as soon as it was brought to their attention.

And let me be clear. I’m all for free speech. But this sort of shit has zero value. And to all the children slinging pejoratives here. Just because you disagree with someone doesn’t make that behavior acceptable. Each and every one of you would be rightfully upset in a similar situation. And that should be the situation to judge this by.

TheRealBob,
@TheRealBob@lemmy.world avatar

I’m gonna ignore the political stuff and actually answer your question: impersonation is a shit thing to do no matter who the target is, but there’s no centralized authority or terms of service in the fediverse. That’s kinda the whole point of it.

The above user is on mastodon, so they can verify their identity there by adding a line of code to their web site and then linking to their web site on masto. Instructions here: barrd.dev/…/add-a-verified-website-to-your-mastod…

Once they’ve done that, they can pin a toot saying only to trust this account and no others.

If they don’t have a web site, welp. Never too late to make one.

dan,

Idk do you get confused when two people use the same username on different email services?

XiaoHei,
@XiaoHei@lemmy.world avatar

no but if one is an admin of a mastodon instance and someone uses that same name and avatar to create problems that is something that needs to be discussed

Flax_vert,

Mate you are literally a tankie lol, ty for referring me to an anti tankie sub

XiaoHei,
@XiaoHei@lemmy.world avatar

maybe spend more time getting your own country to help its citizens than posturing at shadows on another continent

cloudless,
@cloudless@feddit.uk avatar

Thanks. I have been looking to join a community against the tankies.

You tankies talk about “misinformation”, what a joke.

XiaoHei,
@XiaoHei@lemmy.world avatar

what sort of misinformation? maybe ask why the king has a gold chair while your children starve?

pasci_lei,

You know that you can have multiple accounts on the fediverse?

XiaoHei,
@XiaoHei@lemmy.world avatar

yes i know but this is not the case someone asked her if this was her account and she said no

muddybulldog,

Are they actually claiming to be the same person? I don’t see any actual impersonation.

Eeyore_Syndrome,
@Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s the best part.

Meanwhile on grad is simply, litterly sharing/screenshoting/documenting the hate you and your community spew.

You came full circle and admitted it. Way to go.

XiaoHei,
@XiaoHei@lemmy.world avatar

this person is racist and the captions combined with out of context screenshots are a blatant attempt to denigrate lemmygrad, taken with the lemmy developer misinformation one can conclude this is a delibrate troll.

Every single post in the comm is from a single person. This one really shows how dumb this person is. I encountered this on other anti-communist subs too, people mistakenly calling anything bad in the Soviet Union “the Holodomor”, most often deKulakization, in this case Gulags, which makes even less sense. This post is two-fold stupid though, because it is correct that there were never 14 million people imprisoned in the Gulags at one time. This is a Wikipedia estimate that comes up when you search “how many people Gulag”, with the estimate encompassing the entire documented period of 1929-1953 (almost 25 years). Unfortunately we can’t see the context but whatever.

Of course the sub image is a yellow-filter over the skin of a Chinese man (not racist). This post is great. “Pol-Pot not communist?” Yes. And from these comments we can surmise that the person had included a genocide committed by the PRC. They double down in this post. Reading is hard. And all genocidal states have policies which forbid hateful speech against the supposedly targeted group and have pro-minority policies towards these groups to the point that the state is seen as preferential.

These people are deeply unserious and deal exclusively in bad faith slogans, which is especially pathetic because the person is mostly talking to themself (I must reiterate literally every post on here is from the creator) and isolating themselves from other comms. A lot of this stuff is just bottom of the barrel imperialist propaganda reiterated, like scolding someone for being against the Hong Kong protests because they were empty nonsense upheld by the West as the epitome of liberation (they were). And “most westerners never even knew what Libya even is” presented without comment as if it’s some big own when we all know barely a percent of the US population could point to the country on a map much less explain what the US/NATO was doing there. A person even admits this in the comments:

I mean, his point is stupid but other than a country I must admit I don’t know what “Libya is”. It’s an easy Google I just never got around to it.

And of course I must add my favorite, someone said “Amerikkkrakker” (lmao) in a comment and they captioned it “racism on Lemmygrad.” [link] Also they captioned a post “tankies comparing ICE border patrol to Nazi Germany” like yeah??? Erm guys you’re being a little too hard on ICE they’re trying their best. Like we can all tell you’re a racist.

As a last point I wanted to mention this post: “China is not f-cking imperialist—Just don’t look at Tibet” because I can guarantee this person knows jack-shit about Tibet. Do they know that even the Tibetan government in exile created a poll for independence during a period of extreme turmoil and they didn’t even get close? That most of the population of Tibet was fucking illiterate and lived in serfdom and slavery under brutal conditions including torture? That the overthrow of the feudal and slave regime was a mass movement of serfs and peasants which allowed the PLA to enter Tibet in the first place?

And the reply is:

Tibet is a bad example since the tankies dispute it[.] A better example of imperialism is the great number of ports that China has taken leases out on, and the large amount of money that Being has put into Africa. This is very similar to what the Dutch and Portuguese did in the Indian Ocean.

On these ports and the “debt trap” narrative

The Dutch and Portuguese example is awful given that they engaged in direct military conflicts with their colonies (and that’s how they captured many of these colonies in the first place). This person can’t talk about, say, France in Africa because drawing an equivalence between China and France would severely undermine their worldview. Besides, France also engaged in military conflicts with colonies and acquired many of them as such (and assassinated leaders who opposed their rule). Even their lending practices are not similar because France restricts the trade of their “independent” colonies through the Franc. Here’s a thread on if China is imperializing Africa for those interested. China is performing a nefarious strategy to align poor countries to their side by offering low interest loans and infrastructure projects. This may seem like a good deal for poor nations, but the ruse quickly becomes apparent when you consider it’s China doing it instead of a white country. In addition, a cursory check of the America Freedom rating system shows that many of these countries are not democratic.

STUPIDVIPGUY,

Why would you spend this much time writing up an argument defending authoritarian governments? I genuinely don’t understand why you would decide to waste your time with this. Yeah I don’t like America either but these communist countries are equally if not more evil. The USSR is dead so I don’t know why you’re debating people about their irrelevant staristics

XiaoHei,
@XiaoHei@lemmy.world avatar

China is aiding many countries with the BRICS and BRI and because the western governments are responsible for 1.6 billion dead through poverty, war, and famines such as:

skull famine

1967 Hong Kong protests,

Famine of 1876-1878,

apartheid

1/3 kids live in poverty,

fund llegal paramilitary death squads,

Bengal Famine of 1943 1943,

Iraq war,

Batang Kali massacre,

Chuka massacre,

operation anvil,

1957 Oman airstrikes,

Hola massacre,

Ballymurphy massacre,

1971 Newry killings,

operation demetrius,

New Lodge six killings

Boer war

concentration camps

Iran-Iraq war

Battle of Orgreave

Battle of the Beanfield

Al-fallujah airstrike

Partition of British India

Mau Mau uprising

Jallianwala Bagh massacre

bombing of Dresden

Atlantic slave trade

British East India Company

Indian rebellion of 1857 1857

British Raj

use of chemical weapons

Opium War

Russian Civil War

Greek Civil War

Siege of Fort Pitt

Congo Free State

Rhodesia

British South Africa Company

burning of the Summer Palace

Peterloo massacre

War of the Golden Stool

conquest of Ireland

and much much more.

Eldritch,

The fact that Western governments have done bad things in no way justifies the bad aspects of ML nations. It just makes both hypocrites.

Despite committing genocide against my ancestors etc. Western nations have done good too. Does it outweigh the bad? That’s a different discussion. Authoritarian nations capitalist or socialist are bad regardless.

STUPIDVIPGUY,

Blaming “the west” for shit that happened in the past doesn’t achieve anything, even if you are right. All humans can be corrupted and all governments have corruption.

Now instead of listing random events without explaining any sort of connection to the vague “evil west”, why don’t you explain how your warmonger Russia and your genocidal Chinese governments are any better?

DarkThoughts,

Clearly a propaganda account.

Aux,

Delusional…

JoeKrogan,
@JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

I think collect evidence and report it. Does the person in question know they are being impersonated ?

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