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INeedMana, to technology in Scientific progress is declining due to bureaucratization of research. Scientific innovations should make ‘zero to one’ breakthroughs, instead making ‘one to many’ improvements to existing innovations
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not convinced by the premise of this statement

Scientific innovations should make ‘zero to one’ breakthroughs, such as the mobile phone or the combustion engine, but are instead making ‘one to many’ improvements to existing innovations

Maybe we are simply past the curve where a few people can innovate a breakthrough and now it has to come from a lot of data gathered from existing implementations? In order to invent a cellphone a lot of technologies had to be improved compared to their first introduction. And get cheap enough to enable experimentation

i_have_no_enemies,

i think what they are trying to say is… because of bureaucratization of research the current method is stuck on improving rather than take risks and thinking outside the box.

INeedMana,
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

I get that. But my point is: are we really sure that this is the problem?

One of the bases of our scientific method is repeatability of experiment. But at some point, when we can produce a lot of experiments, comes a problem: we can run out of people with time and resources that allow to repeat it. And one of the ways to mitigate it is to strengthen the requirements on the data gathering. So when you do find something weird, you can analyze how the parameters differ from other similar runs and if someone else is able to repeat it, you might have easier time finding which variable makes it so. Without consistent “we measured X after setting that to Y” it’s hard to repeat the experiment or even recognize if you really are observing something new.

Take a look at that error a few months ago that resulted in us thinking that a new superconductor that can work in ± room conditions was found. If we didn’t have precise description of what they did and what they measured, we could be still trying to reproduce their observations

pennomi,

Agreed, modern inventions are orders of magnitude more complex than anything in the past. Of course they require teams.

Like you said, “the mobile phone” isn’t a single invention anyway, it’s thousands or millions of inventions packed into one device.

INeedMana,
@INeedMana@lemmy.world avatar

modern inventions are orders of magnitude more complex than anything in the past

Well, in a way that’s always the case with inventions. I think when the first modern submarine (it’s just an example) was built it also was a marvel of alloy purity and manufacturing precision compared to anything in the past. It’s just that in the last century we observed a lot of technological progress because we started doing research in a lot more directions and in much higher volume. We caught up to our technological and theoretical knowledge and now the progress will slow down. Only to explode again after another breakthrough, as we often move in sinusoids, but that will be in one field + how it can help other fields, not a bunch of fields developing all at once in a short timeframe

NaibofTabr,

Yeah, the low-hanging fruit has been picked already.

Mahlzeit, to technology in Scientific progress is declining due to bureaucratization of research. Scientific innovations should make ‘zero to one’ breakthroughs, instead making ‘one to many’ improvements to existing innovations

In his book Zero to One, entrepreneur and venture capitalist Peter Thiel argues that modern scientific innovation is no longer groundbreaking.

I wasted a click.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

I’d argue that venture capitalists are the cause of lack of scientific breakthroughs.

neutron,

Are we going to hear about enshittification in academia, too? Ugh.

turmacar,

Enshittification is pump-and-dump for companies over years instead of stocks over days/months.

Academia’s problems with replication and funding for null/negative results have been known about for a while and are a separate problem. I guess it could be argued that they’re related in that maybe an academic’s career shouldn’t be based on the profit cycle of their institution.

GlitterInfection,

And yet you saved me one; that’s zero to one at least!

circuscritic, (edited )

I still wasted a click after reading this because I thought, “no way is this article on science dedicated to that Lizard Person”.

And I was right, but only because it’s not really an article, much less about science. It’s more like a business experiment to find out if this particular LLM “author”, which generates disconnected gobblygook, can save them significant CapEx over a more expensive AI model that would output articles with something more closely resembling a coherent thought process, or being written by a human.

niucllos, to technology in Scientific progress is declining due to bureaucratization of research. Scientific innovations should make ‘zero to one’ breakthroughs, instead making ‘one to many’ improvements to existing innovations

US funding for basic research–the type that will lead to the truly paradigm-shifting breakthroughs–has also been in decline for 50+ years as a proportion of GDP. While bureacracy could be an obstacle, the much larger one is insufficient resources to fund a lot of moonshots that may fizzle or may result in 'zero to one’s innovation, as the author states

Brokkr, to technology in Scientific progress is declining due to bureaucratization of research. Scientific innovations should make ‘zero to one’ breakthroughs, instead making ‘one to many’ improvements to existing innovations

Researchers need to be able to publish negative results or failures. They need to be encouraged to do that. Funding needs to support that.

Right now it doesn’t. Mostly only “successes” are published and that’s what gets further funding.

technojamin,

Yeah, we need to celebrate negative results, it’s still good scientific work. Hold the “grounding” scientists up in esteem next to the “groundbreaking” ones. All of the people who do scientific work are necessary for further scientific discovery and in the search for truth.

aes, (edited ) to technology in Scientific progress is declining due to bureaucratization of research. Scientific innovations should make ‘zero to one’ breakthroughs, instead making ‘one to many’ improvements to existing innovations

The number of per capita patents taken out by inventors is decreasing, suggesting that ideas have become harder to find.

A metric they use for measuring scientific progress is how innovation is bureaucratically represented, which these god damn geniuses follow to the conclusion conclude alongside the idea that science has

“become bureaucratic, with too many inputs and too much process required to reach success".

Man economists are all fucking stupid and you’ll never convince me otherwise

Edit: Skimmed the paper, the metric of per capita patents had its own claims and was discrete from the source that led to the claim about bureaucracy. It’s still stupid that the paper is at odds with itself.

The theoretical motivation of the paper was actually so dumb. It was all bullshit quotes from entrepreneurs and other economists, not researchers whose jobs revolve around actually creating the innovations that these losers go around parading.

KepBen,

When you start with certain assumptions about the supremacy of market forces you’re bound to miss a few human elements along the way

velox_vulnus, to worldnews in Pakistan seeks BRICS membership, turns to Russia for support
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Pakistan’s secret arms deal will not be taken lightly by Russia.

Gordon_Freeman, to technology in Google's and Apple's walled gardens will survive Epic’s court win
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I don't like playing the devil's advocate but the only one with a walled garden is Apple

You can easily install plenty of alternative stores on android if you want (including the epic game store)

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