Can we please stop pretending that this is being done for the good of the people? If the people are “going back to reddit” because they are not being spoon-fed and getting their food pre-chewed, then they are robbing themselves of the opportunity to learn and grow.
Stop treating everyone like helpless idiots, and the majority of them will show that they are actually quite capable.
Nice jab! Now can you please address the argument? If changing the registration page is a good solution, what should be the expected change in userbase split?
Let’s make a deal. If they manage to bring this down to less than ~35% after two weeks after they implement their solution, then I will shut up about it and you never hear from me. If they don’t, then they close registrations. Sounds reasonable?
stability is nice but reliability is also very important.
Reliability of the system overall? Yes. But reliability in distributed systems is achieved by ensuring that we don’t have single points of failure and by making it “cheap” to fail. Having a gigantic instance in a sea of powerless nodes is quite the opposite of “reliable”.
since the issue was that your instance was failing to federate to lemmy.world.
The issue still persists. I updated the database 3 hours ago, my posts are still not visible here. @Antik claims it might be that my server got into their own “ban list”, which would squarely would make it their fault because (a) other nodes are not doing this and (b) I didn’t make any change on my server infra.
because it’s not accurate to say lemmy.world is full
Yes, it is. It’s not up to them to say it. It’s up to us in the minority side to go on and say “hey, you are taking up too much space”. Which they are.
The success of lemmy.world has nothing to do with bias or unfair practices.
That’s a cop-out. They literally launched their instance on a blog post saying “you already know us from mastodon.world and we want to make lemmy.world equally popular.”
I’d wager it’s 90% word-of-mouth.
If that is true and if they wanted to be responsible with the fediverse, they could (should?) be actively suppressing it, much like lemmy.ml admins did during the reddit blackout.
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I think I get it, in the end of the day you can argue “you can not blame them for their own success”, and normally I’d agree. I am just seriously asking you (and the admins) to reconsider this idea of what “success” is (especially in the context of the fediverse) and I would really like if they could stop for a moment and see of they could to get themselves out of the spotlight in the moment where their “success” is leading to undesired side-effects on others.
Sorry, I am starting to get tired of repeating myself. Can you go through my history and see the 3 or 4 comments where I am arguing that the main point of my post is not specifically about the technical issue that is affecting me, but instead a larger point about how this idea that letting one instance grow and dominating the userbase while having so many issues is irresponsible?
That is completely off the mark, but it’s interesting: lemmy.world’s approach to growth is reckless and causing issues elsewhere, someone is calling it out, and yet you are trying to make this about me instead of addressing the problem that am pointing out.
If I get into details to explain why they do have reason to dox me, it could be used to dox me. Kind of tricky and maybe I’m being paranoid, but I don’t want to risk it.
If most instances were of equal size you likely wouldn’t have noticed there was a problem at all.
If I haven’t noticed the problem, is it really a problem?
I can live in a world where I’m out of reach from maybe 20% of the potential audience, and maybe I wouldn’t mind it if I noticed that a workaround was required for that. But I do very much mind having to live in a world where I have to be checking with the admins what the hell is going on and why I am shut off from communication with the majority through no fault of my own.
That’s a good faith effort and a good middle ground.
Sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Saying “we are the largest and easiest place to get started, but if you don’t believe us here are some other places you can take a look” is completely different from “our home is full now, but the cool thing about the fediverse is that you can enjoy it wherever you are”.
Having the inability of saying “we can’t do it, but you can be happy on X, Y and Z” feels like a twisted way of saying “we don’t really care about you, we care about having you”.
Anyway, thank you for at least trying to engage in a productive conversation. Everyone else seems to just want to feel personally attacked and completely missing the point.
If they support you, then come together as a group and address the admins
Honest question: how many different admins do you think it would take for you to consider changing your mind about it?
since you say you contacted the admins directly, post the proof,
If I post any proof, I’d be doxxing myself and it should be clear by now that I won’t do that. The last time I said “hey, maybe you should slow down growth”, I was met with the implication that I was saying that out of personal interest.
So, no. I will not let the admins try to deflect from their irresponsible attitude by trying to make some character assassination.
Instead of counting, try reading. It’s not about “the technical problem”. It’s about the fact that my instance:
has not done anything wrong
is wrongly being cut off with communication from half of the whole fediverse
the admins don’t see any problem with this erratic growth and the ripple effects is causing elsewhere
I am literally getting told by the majority to “go back where I came from”.
Let me see if I can it myself clear: If lemmy.world was 10-20% of the whole userbase, I wouldn’t have to care about them. But because they are growing so much and don’t seem to be intent of self-regulating, their growing pains is causing problems to those in the minority instances.
I don’t mind repeating it or trying to find different ways to explain it, but the point I’d like you all to understand is that lemmy.world needs to organize itself before focusing on further growth, and this is why I am asking to close the registrations.
going to slow growth no matter how you implement it.
First, slowing down growth != stopping growth.
Second, your idea of “growth” seems to imply that we should accept systemic disruptions to the people that are already here. To illustrate the point: assume that the reason that my instance got blocked is indeed because the IP got into some banlist. Through no fault of my own and no change of behavior on my side, I’m now locked out of the conversation with 50% of the Lemmy userbase. Do you think that’s it’s wise/reasonable?
Closing registrations to “spread the load” also comes with the assumption that server load from active users is a problem.
No, that’s not my point. My point is that if one server fucks up, the others don’t get locked out of communication with 50% of the userbase. Closing down registrations would reduce the split.
Think of it in this way… if lemmy.world has 50/60/70% of the userbase and if for some reason it gets disconnected from the fediverse, the admins can just shrug it off and say “oopsie, we will try to fix it whenever, in the meantime come and join us because it works here.” The minority gets screwed, but there is little incentive for the majority to care. On the other hand, if lemmy.world has “only” 15-30% of the userbase and there are other servers of similar size, if lemmy.world screws up, it will be in their interest to fix it.
Do you understand it now, and do you understand why me having to create an account here in order to be able to make myself heard is so disturbing?
Let me repeat. My instance not being to communicate with this is a symptom of a much larger issue: lemmy.world is growing in an unsustainable and irresponsible way, and this is bringing systemic risks to the system as a whole.
So, no, the post is not about “dropped comments”. The post is hopefully a wake-up call to tell you that this attitude of “let’s keep bringing users no matter what” is cancerous.
And yes, I did say something to that before in previous interactions, and the response was not that different from this post: a myopic defensiveness, perhaps based on their personal belief that what they are doing is good/ethical, even when others are crying out “this way will bring us all to chaos”.
Aside from version updates, I haven’t changed my server setup since I set it up months ago, and my instance has only a handful of active users. Only two of them subscribed to !fediverse.
Also, keep in mind that I am receiving updates just fine (maybe with some delay) the problem is that nothing I post on the lemmy.world communities end up visible here.