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MrHand,

Yes I really should. Perhaps a professional would clarify whether I’m perceiving reality correctly – that is, after having posted on incels.is, a fed honeypot forum, I came under intrusive monitoring and was placed on a watchlist for 1st amendment protected speech and whether feds trail me online to accuse me of being schizo whenever I make these claims. A professional could indeed help me make sense of these things but currently I am uninsured and have no choice but to seek the advice of the masses.

MrHand,

I can’t do that without also compromising my privacy. but maybe im just crazy ya know?

MrHand,

yea i know i could just be crazy. only paranoid lunatics would dare say incels.is = dhs

MrHand,

it wouldn’t mean anything. yes, i understand – you are quite keen to know what substantial evidence that I (a crazy person) have that incels.is = DHS. but i really wouldn’t be inclined to share it here (because i’m crazy.)

MrHand,

thank you for your insight into my mental condition. people who are not feds keep telling me i’m schizo for saying that incels.is = dhs. i’m starting to believe them. it’s unfathomable that DHS – which is now prioritizing “domestic extremism” – operates fed honeypot incel forums. i admit: i am a loon.

MrHand,

thank you for your insight into my mental condition. people who are not feds keep telling me i’m schizo for saying that incels.is = dhs. i’m starting to believe them. it’s unfathomable that DHS – which is now prioritizing “domestic extremism” – operates fed honeypot incel forums. i admit: i am a loon.

MrHand,

thank you. i thought i was crazy for thinking that incels.is = dhs.

MrHand,

empty snark is empty. what is it that I’ve said is crazy?

MrHand,

I identified as an “involuntarily celibate” male and sought support from people in my circumstance. I found a forum called incels.is. The people posting there purported to be men in my circumstance. I believed it and then shared opinions about my plight and the dynamics of the larger sexual marketplace (re how it’s become polygynous.) Soon after – to my shock and horror – they “took the mask off” and told me that they – the people I was posting alongside – were in fact fed agents. You see, they had in fact shutdown real incel spaces years prior and replaced them with ones operated by DHS because they had deemed incels – a class of males who are only the result of emergent polygyny – as “domestic extremists.” The feds then informed me – by revealing to me personal details about my life and my day to day activity (in own apartment no less) that I was now subject to intrusive monitoring and surveillance. When I step outside people from the creepily named “fusion centers” trail me. So in essence I am in an open-air prison without having committed a crime. Moreover, the feds over at incels.is themselves encourage extremist rhetoric which shapes the public image of the incel class. In short they are generating their own work by censoring incels across web and setting up incel forums where they (feds) larp as extremist incels. They set a trap for incelish men seeking support from their own kind. This treatment of incels is motivated by politics because after Trump’s victory in 2016 the neolib establishment went hard after any MAGA-adjacent spaces. In 2015, incels were among the first to be ecstatic about Trump. But does that mean they should be politically repressed, silenced, and treated as domestic terrorists?

MrHand,

More details: I identified as an “involuntarily celibate” male and sought support from people in my circumstance. I found a forum called incels.is. The people posting there purported to be men in my circumstance. I believed it and then shared opinions about my plight and the dynamics of the larger sexual marketplace (re how it’s become polygynous.) Soon after – to my shock and horror – they “took the mask off” and told me that they – the people I was posting alongside – were in fact fed agents. You see, they had in fact shutdown real incel spaces years prior and replaced them with ones operated by DHS because they had deemed incels – a class of males who are only the result of emergent polygyny – as “domestic extremists.” The feds then informed me – by revealing to me personal details about my life and my day to day activity (in own apartment no less) that I was now subject to intrusive monitoring and surveillance. When I step outside people from the creepily named “fusion centers” trail me. So in essence I am in an open-air prison without having committed a crime. Moreover, the feds over at incels.is themselves encourage extremist rhetoric which shapes the public image of the incel class. In short they are generating their own work by censoring incels across web and setting up incel forums where they (feds) larp as extremist incels. They set a trap for incelish men seeking support from their own kind. This treatment of incels is motivated by politics because after Trump’s victory in 2016 the neolib establishment went hard after any MAGA-adjacent spaces. In 2015, incels were among the first to be ecstatic about Trump. But does that mean they should be politically repressed, silenced, and treated as domestic terrorists?

MrHand,

You are conflating two things – my question to Lemmy.World re if they were deleting my content from a place of soy censorship and whether feds trail me online (they having access to my digital activity in real time) to invalidate any claims I make about honeypot incel forums by calling me (rather emptily) “crazy.” I know the latter is true. I was in interested in the other inquiry. Nice try.

MrHand,

What does “intrusive monitoring” entail?

MrHand,

how so? care to elaborate?

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

What does “intrusive monitoring” entail?

  1. I posted on incels.is, a fed honeypot forum.
  2. Soon after I was hacked by them and they informed me I was under intrusive monitoring.
  3. This is part of the “Countering Violent Extremism” (CVE) DHS program (now renamed “Countering Domestic Terrorism” under Biden.)
MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

i didn’t claim feds were deleting my posts. I put a question to Lemmy.World re their moderation policy. Of course, since feds monitor my digital activity in real time, they have an incentive to make misleading statements like yours in order to invalidate me…

MrHand,

And yet I claim incels.is = DHS and entraps incels. Why is this so crazy? Why does this so bother you?

MrHand,

“intrusive surveillance” entails your phone being hacked as a recorder, their access to your phone/digital communications, snooping devices in your dwelling, and being trailed by fusion center employees when outside.

MrHand,

Here are some papers arguing that incels should be treated just like I have been. When you search “incels” on google scholar, you largely get articles like this calling on the government to treat incels as domestic terrorists by leftist academics/self-serving “security” researchers. Of course, when victim complains of the treatment, they can always be accused of having a “persecutory delusion.” But I ask any observers to note just how inconsiderate and unhinged these accusations of mental illness on are. Note their desperation to call me crazy. They’re feds privy to my digital activity. This is what I mean by “open air prison.”

…st-andrews.ac.uk/…/Hoffman_2020_SCT_Assessingthr…

researchgate.net/…/371229307_Beyond_violent_extre…

MrHand,

note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

sure you are. is it really that delusional to say incels.is = DHS and, after having posted there, I came under “intrusive monitoring” both physically and digitally and feds trail me online to invalidate my claims by hurling empty accusations of insanity?

MrHand,

But it really happened. They rented the units surrounding my apartment in order to monitor me. Is this so out of the realm of possibility for them to do to someone they deemed a “domestic extremist/terrorist”? Also, note: feds have real time access to my digital activity. every time i make claims like this on this space, they appear like rats and insubstantially say “you need help, take your meds, blah blah” but never care to get to specific as to why my claims are unreasonable.

MrHand,

that’s just a whine. it means “i don’t like the incel perspective.” you are free to whine all you like but it’s not reasonable for your whine to be government policy

MrHand,

That’s not a random forum. It’s a DHS operation. Stop trying to deflect my accusation that incels.is = DHS. It’s DHS. It’s a honeypot forum. It’s run by the government. People get paid to larp as incels. They’ve taken over the incelosphere in what is nothing less than rank censorship and political repression. You suck for supporting that.

MrHand,

But the feds legit treat incels as “domestic extremists” regardless of the accuracy of their perspective. Doesn’t it then follow that they set up honeypot forums (like incels.is, operated by DHS)? They put incels in this category.

MrHand,

I do not claim to know the internal workings of DHS or the FBI. I can only attest to my experience which is that I posted on incels.is which turned out to be a honeypot operation by feds who – in that space and places like r9k – communicated with me. They call this “deradicalization” but it’s horse manure. They’re ideologue stasti-esque weirdos who HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE incels.

MrHand,

That’s because they have no grounds to. However, that operation – incels.is – is illegal because they hack their users and even mere readers.

MrHand,

The definition of who is or is not an “extremist” can be abusively politicized by people who have the ear of the government that just so happen to not like this or that ideology or perspective.

MrHand,

Why are you so keen to know? Is my claim implausible? 🤔

MrHand,

Yes I need help. Please help me to spread the word that incels.is – the biggest incel forum – is run by DHS.

MrHand,

Let me ask you – is my claim implausible?

MrHand,

translation: “I don’t like you. Therefore, you deserve to have your civil liberties violated.”

MrHand,

but they did and it happened. also incels.is = dhs. incels are subject to political repression.

MrHand,

For sure, but you can drive someone to insanity by depriving them of sleep. I say I am subject to intrusive monitoring. I realize that if I try to express this to normal everyday people, I will come off as schizo. On top of that to be going around sleepless – a mental zombie – is going to make me look crazier, and make everyone around me think I’m a loon. Maybe this leaves a “trail” of mental-health issue history that, should I snap in public or something, can be used to commit me.

MrHand,

Bro they broke into my apartment and replaced my prozac with super-depression inducing crap. I took a few of the pills and fell into super depression. Then they started teasing me on reddit “does he notice? does he notice?” etc etc. The pills were colored differently. Not sure what their purpose was. Plus if I see a therapist they’ll be privy to what I say (under the 9/11 bill they can pull your records.)

MrHand,

I’m not having paranoid delusions. This was my experience: I posted on the web forum incels.is – run by DHS – and have since been subject to intrusive monitoring which escalated into direct fed harassment of me in various ways. Part of this “intrusive monitoring” entails monitoring of my communications and online activity. Hence it’s not out of the realm of possibility that some of the people here eager to label my claims as paranoid/delusional are feds…

MrHand,

I need sincere help in spreading the fact that incels.is – and their network of related forums – are run by DHS.

MrHand,

lmao

MrHand,

I’ve actually said not much that is directly misogynistic. But if I say “the sexual marketplace has taken a polygynous turn,” that’s deemed misogyny. Good article but that advice has went unheeded especially in the United States. Fact of the matter is that incels are POLITICALLY loathed and a politicized justice department has been set loose on them.

MrHand,

okay, it doesn’t sense to you, i’m just a yelping loon. please stop interacting with me

MrHand,

lol just a description of the sexual landscape and it’s polygynous turn is misogyny. and then you run to the government to ban spaces were those ideas are discussed. i bet you’d call him misogynist too

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/231d2cd9-1896-4f31-b21c-16940dcbb00a.png

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