KingKRool

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KingKRool,

I’m making that case. I trust Fedora and Red Hat to handle telemetry correctly, but I can verify it by looking at the source and I’ll give them constructive feedback if I have concerns. May I ask which distro you are planning to use where the source is NOT contributed primarily by engineers working for a corporation that puts dollars first?

KingKRool,

They haven’t made anything. It’s just a proposal right now. Instead of constructively sharing feedback about the default state, people are spouting hyperbole like “Red Hat is Windows”.

KingKRool,

KDE was the first one I used after getting more comfortable with Linux and leaving Unity behind. KDE was very customizable and extensible, but when you actually started customizing it quickly became unreliable. I stuck with it for a few years then I tried Elementary next and it was pretty polished but it was limited to a specific distribution. After that I went to GNOME and I’ve been using it for 7 years now. It does need a few extensions, but otherwise I’ve found that it works quite well. I think I’ve also changed, I’m not as interested in things like wobbly windows anymore. I just want the desktop environment to stay out of my way, but I also don’t want it to be too bare bones.

Fedora Workstation 40 Considering To Implement Privacy-Preserving Telemetry (www.phoronix.com)

Just in the consideration phase, but makes you wonder the timing after the Red Hat move. Maybe alright if they do it the KDE way of needing to manually opt in and not like Cononical’s painful way of manually having to opt out. Or Firefox’s needing to manually opt out though easy.

KingKRool,

I think it’s fine. Actually, I think it’s even a good idea. As long as they are upfront with users and get consent and let them opt-out at any time.

I have been the person to implement telemetry in an app, and when done correctly it can really be useful for making the experience better for everyone. It doesn’t always have to be about monetization and ads and tracking you across the web. Without data, you’re flying blind, you rely on users to self-report data to you and that selects for the more technical, knowledgeable users, who may not be having an experience that is representative of your average user.

Some real examples: I added monitoring for the type of exceptions thrown and how often they occur. When we push updates, we have alerts that fire and stop the update if the client error rate increases with the new version. Another is the browser or OS type and version, not the full user agent either, a redacted version to avoid fingerprinting. This helps us determine if it’s safe to start using a new API or standard. Other things we monitored were performance related, like measuring the time from app open to when it has actually loaded data and become responsive. That helped us catch some regressions or determine if improvements we made actually made a difference in the real world. None of this was ever used for ads or for tracking users, it was all for making our app better.

To me, it looks like this is what Fedora has in mind, not something malicious. With the client side code open source, we can trust but verify.

KingKRool,

It is not legal for employees alleging sexual assault or harassment. Because Congress passed a law making that illegal. Also, it is not legal for baggage handlers, because the Supreme Court said there’s an exemption for working in interstate commerce. IIRC Congress tried to ban it across the board last year, but it died in the Senate and then the House flipped so there won’t be another chance for a few years at least.

KingKRool,

Same, it’s great! It also works well on a tablet.

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