gpollara, to academicchatter
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Wow, this seems a very draconian and impractical stance for to take for its grants involving foreign partners! 👇

Article below haa a full takedown. @academicchatter

"Beginning October 1, 2023, foreign subaward recipients will be required to provide the U.S. prime grantee “copies of all lab notebooks, all data and all documentation that support the research outcomes…no less than every six months, or more frequently based on risks”"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2307543?query=WB&cid=NEJM%20Weekend%20Briefing,%20September%209,%202023%20DM2282798_NEJM_Non_Subscriber&bid=1788903581

gpollara,
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@BorisBarbour @academicchatter yes, unless the real objective is to dissuade non-US collaborators to participate and receive funds from the NIH.

That was my gut instinct response when I read it, but I may be too cynical!

BorisBarbour,
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@gpollara @academicchatter

The 6-month interval seems extreme, but I can imagine they might be worried about getting the data after the money has been spent.

atthenius, to random
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funding agencies say NO to using for

US’ Australia’s : 'NO’ to ChatGPT for peer-review

US' and Europe's mulling it over with working groups.

Concerns:
*Privacy/Piracy “the information becomes part of its training data. ” (why I don’t chatGPT though I really hate writing)
*Error ”AI-written reviews will be error-prone"
*Bias ”against non-mainstream views”
*Boring "lack … creativity “

Humans set the bar high
https://www.science.org/content/article/science-funding-agencies-say-no-using-ai-peer-review

atthenius,
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@Lennvor

Most proposals go through ‘panel review’ where ALL the proposals submitted to a call are reviewed by ~30 of their peers. Usually, there is one primary & 2-3 tertiary reviewers who evaluate the proposal before the panel review. During the review, each primary reviewer presents opinions on study feasibility, proposers qualifications, potential significance. Then the tertiary reviewers chime in.
At the end the whole panel grades each proposal & only the ‘best’ (<10%) get funded.

Lennvor,

@atthenius That sure sounds to me like something you can fake, but not do, with ChatGPT. Looking at the article it seems it was about individual participants replacing their contributions, not the whole process being replaced. The latter would be dumb but the former strikes me as straight-up fraud. The reason they're asking scientists to do this review and not random people off the street capable of forming a sentence is that they're relying on the scientist's opinion based on their expertise - neither of which ChatGPT has, and if it did it still wouldn't be that scientist's.

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