Hey, serious question, why is “-tard” still considered to be a slur? It’s no longer used in any professional capacity (at least in the US), so it seems like it’d be more offensive to insist that it still applies to people who are intellectually disabled than to let it become another synonym for stupid, dumb, idiot, etc (which were all professional diagnosis as well btw). I can understand wanting to discourage its use as an insult if it’s a professional diagnosis, but it’s not considered one anymore.
The first one, no question. That word has no usefulness.
The second I’m on the fence about. Lately there have been a A LOT of attempts to derail discussion about pretty much anything using exactly that argument. I can’t fault a mod for putting a lid on it.
making an argument with verifiable facts isn’t an attempt to derail a discussion – it’s an attempt to further the discussion. the OP is an anarchist, not some tankie.
Eh, you can definitely use verifiable facts to derail a discussion.* It all depends on context and whether those facts are being framed truthfully and with good faith. There just isn’t enough context to go off of here. I don’t really care about OP’s politics because the point stands whether I agree with his politics or not
*Edit: See the book Merchants of Doubt about how cigarette companies in the 70s misused scientific findings to cast doubt on the link between cigarettes and cancer. Stuff like pointing out how women and men had similar smoking rates, but not cancer rates. They left out the part that women smokers tended to be much younger. Thus, in a couple decades their cancer rates matched men’s, but by then the damage was done. Bam - use of verifiable facts to lie and derail
*Edit: See the book Merchants of Doubt about how cigarette companies in the 70s misused scientific findings to cast doubt on the link between cigarettes and cancer. Stuff like pointing out how women and men had similar smoking rates, but not cancer rates. They left out the part that women smokers tended to be much younger. Thus, in a couple decades their cancer rates matched men’s. Bam - use of verifiable facts to lie and derail
ok yep, fair. completely see your point. my point was just that the comment was in good faith and from someone who doesn’t even have a political allegiance to the projects he’s talking about.
but all of this is secondary to the main issues which are:
a mod using ableism and banning criticism of it
the same mod defending chasers
on hexbear, we don’t tolerate this shit and we don’t want to expose the vulnerable members of our community to it.
As always, drama is fueled by incorrect information and wildly out of context posts. I'm the "chaser" they're talking about. It was my post.
Someone literally asked me if I would date a pre-transition trans man or a post-transition trans woman, and I said yes. That's all. Not a chaser. Just one specific response to one specific question about my personal preferences.
And I'm a straight cis man and 99% of the women I've dated have been straight cis women. Just because statistically that's how it shakes out. I find it a bit hilarious that I've been labeled a chaser by these dummies.
I can understand the fetishizing part, because it suggests objectification. But could the latter part just be a culmination of attraction and preferences?
More often “cis person primarily trying to get with trans people” is about power, from what I hear. Trans people are disproportionately in positions where they can be easily exploited or abused, e.g. outing someone can be used as blackmail, an abuser could withhold HRT or trash clothes, trans people might not have learned how to date safely as their gender, many trans people are broke and in poor mental health and could easily become reliant on someone, things like that. On top of this, trans people are also often particularly desperate for approval from cis people, because of the extent to which we’re regularly othered by most of society. This creates the idea in a lot of cis men that if they’re unsuccessful with cis women (generally because they’re creeps), that trans women are “easy”. This often mixes with the whole trans fetishization thing, too.
There are of course a number of other reasons why cis people might find themselves primarily dating trans people, too. Another common and very depressing reason is that the cis person perhaps isn’t actually cis, and really just wants to live vicariously through sy partner’s transition, and maybe “borrowing” a few things from thon, as well. There was a Reddit thread I once read with a full typology of different types of trans chasers, but I can’t find it now. There are men and women chasers, straight and gay chasers, you get the picture.
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