timnitGebru,
@timnitGebru@dair-community.social avatar

I think it is helpful to read other cases of genocide denial if you want to help yourself figure out what to engage with and what not to engage with. The talking points are exactly the same. All genocides work the same. It was hard to engage with friends and extended family members saying these things during and I sure am not going to entertain that from others now.

"No we're not talking about the population its just this group we're calling animals"

timnitGebru,
@timnitGebru@dair-community.social avatar

"You support terrorists, why aren't you talking about them?"

"They use people as human shields, the people should revolt against them, they brought it upon themselves"

"That's an actor, its not real"

"The body count is propaganda, its not accurate"

"Where are the bodies?"

"You can't expect us to NOT shut off food, electricity & fuel."

while at the same time

"No we haven't shut it off, look at that ONE hospital that seems to be functioning"

timnitGebru,
@timnitGebru@dair-community.social avatar

"You just hate X group, that's why you're claiming there's a genocide you liar."

"Look at this graph showing that the population has increased in the last hundred years. That's not a genocide."

"Genocide is a technical term, you can't just go around saying genocide all the time"

Yea lets also wait for the technical "world bodies" before calling out the Native American genocide.

And then just a bunch of other harassment trying to get you to be quiet.

timnitGebru,
@timnitGebru@dair-community.social avatar

It helps to see all this before. Because its exactly the same. At that time I was so shocked to see these arguments, and it helped me to read more about denial during the Tutsi Rwandan genocide. I also talked to my friends who told me about the Mayan genocide in Guatemala, and how they couldn't speak to their families and friends. They told me that people will continue to deny even when perpetrators are taken to court and there are mountains of evidence.

cleantecher,
@cleantecher@mastodon.social avatar

@timnitGebru

books to read:
Shake Hands With the Devil (rwands)
Schindlers list + Night (holocaust)
A long way gone (child solders)
A Season in Hell (bosnia)

its the same thing over and over.

boud,
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@cleantecher @timnitGebru

There is actually an academic field of genocide studies [1] and about 50 Wikipedia-notable scholars of genocide [2]. I don't know if any are already on the Fediverse / @academicchatter (apart from @seanfobbe for the Yazidi genocide) ?

Obviously, by the time a research article is done and peer-reviewed, it's a few years after the genocide started, but some of these scholars speak up on the birdsite much sooner.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_studies

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_genocide_studies

boud,
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@timnitGebru @cleantecher

A peer-reviewed research paper quantitatively analysing the common speech patterns of genocide denial - as you (@timnitGebru) have given examples of - for the , the Yazidi, Rwanda, and what very much appears to be genocide against Palestinians, might be useful alongside genocide scholars' more qualitative analyses. The ethical AI community and genocide scholars could do useful work together ...

@academicchatter @seanfobbe

eleni,
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@boud @timnitGebru @cleantecher @academicchatter @seanfobbe

That's why I left X.

cleantecher,
@cleantecher@mastodon.social avatar

@boud @timnitGebru @academicchatter @seanfobbe

is there a place or an avenue to do this? im working on a paper in canada following a call to action to regulate ai. but this is a specific area of interest for me.

do you know anyone or a anywhere that this can be started?

boud,
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@cleantecher

It's quite likely that @timnitGebru is too busy, but you could browse among the people at https://dair-community.social - where most people have the AI expertise, and someone might have the time.

@seanfobbe
@academicchatter

cleantecher,
@cleantecher@mastodon.social avatar

@boud @timnitGebru @seanfobbe @academicchatter

thanks. that is what i meant. there has to be some place to get this information.

much appretaited

cleantecher,
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@boud @timnitGebru @seanfobbe @academicchatter

super dumb q. (about this platform) does one have to join communities or does one try to get invited to join communities?

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