bibliolater,
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Oozenet,
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@bibliolater @philosophy That's because it's "a meditative practice developed over the last two millennia or so by Buddhist monks and nuns in south and southeast Asia. In its native habitat, it forms one part of a well-polished toolkit". Stripped of those other parts its dangerous.

https://www.ecosophia.net/the-flight-from-thinking/

ericmacknight,
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@Oozenet @bibliolater @philosophy Excellent article!

lupposofi, (edited )
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@bibliolater @philosophy And scientific, too, dubious scientific foundations, https://neurosciencenews.com/mindfulness-problem-14196/

Mindfulness can also make people more selfish, https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210813-how-mindfulness-could-make-you-selfish

And tends to lubricate the capitalist treadmill, https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/14/the-mindfulness-conspiracy-capitalist-spirituality

the last link corrected..

lupposofi,
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@bibliolater @philosophy The excellent Guardian article by Ronald Purser ends:

"The cruelty lies in supporting the status quo while using the language of transformation. This is how neoliberal mindfulness promotes an individualistic vision of human flourishing, enticing us to accept things as they are, mindfully enduring the ravages of capitalism."

But do read the whole article!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/jun/14/the-mindfulness-conspiracy-capitalist-spirituality

#mindfulness #capitalism #neoliberal #diversion #selfdeception #philosophy #psychology

bibliolater,
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@lupposofi @philosophy Thank you for the link.

lupposofi,
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@bibliolater @philosophy And to you too for lifting the topic to plain view. 👍

teledyn,
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@lupposofi

Bucky Fuller feared that rather than repair our toxic environments, we would adapt ourselves to pollution instead.

The solution to forest fires is not to hide inside air conditioning.

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lupposofi,
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@teledyn @bibliolater @philosophy Yes, well put. Sometimes I fear that one critical game was already lost with the invent of air-conditioning. Those who can afford such could become oblivious of the excessive heat and lack of shades from trees, etc. Often those very same people were in charge of the destructive developments. And now we have air-conditioning everywhere, even in cars. But just a thought?

naciketas,
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@bibliolater @philosophy

"Take, for example, feelings of anger that we might have about the policy decisions of the Danish government. Is it beneficial to view such emotions as if they are passing clouds in the sky with little importance or relation to reality?"

Of course it is useful. It helps us to make our political decisions in a purely rational way. Contemporary Buddhism - for example Buddhadasa and Thich Nhat Hanh - offers many examples of political engagement based on equanimity.

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@naciketas @bibliolater @philosophy I’m not sure that claim bears scrutiny. Emotions like anger, grief, disgust etc. are fitting attitudes to injustice and motive us to resist it. Similarly emotional responses like compassion, pity, friendship, solidarity can all also motivate us in the right way. Maybe pure reason can motivate us to pursue the right policies, but I doubt it.

nowan,
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@SteveCooke @naciketas @bibliolater @philosophy There's a healthy debate within Buddhism about the proper way to deal with such emotions, but I don't get the sense the author of the original author has really engaged with that debate/literature. I don't intend to try to substitute for that, but briefly, seeing emotions as ephemeral is a teaching tool, not the final analysis of their importance in Buddhism. 1/

nowan,
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@SteveCooke @naciketas @bibliolater @philosophy There's a lot of discussion about, eg, how to use emotions like anger at injustice to fuel efforts at change without allowing that anger to become toxic and unproductive. Learning to master that anger, rather than allowing it to master you, is an essential part of that process. 2/

nowan,
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@SteveCooke @naciketas @bibliolater @philosophy But to be clear, none of this is to deny that there's a lot of "mindfulness" work that is shallow and lacks that kind of nuance - no doubt that's the sort of thing the original author is familiar with and responding to, and to that extent I agree. 3/3

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